14 Facts You Might Not Know About Macedonia

It’s so interesting to visit a country that has so much history, yet it is so new to the eyes of our modern world. Macedonia still has an air of mystery that makes this mountainous, off the beaten path country an intriguing destination for real discovery.

Here are a few facts that you might not yet know about Macedonia, but that make part of the interesting and mysterious character of this country.

1 – There are (supposed) parts of the cross on which Jesus was crucified in the foundations of the monasteries of St. Bogodorica Prechista in Kichevo, and St. Jovan Bigorski and St. Georgij Pobedonosec in Debar.

2 – According to NASA, Kokino is the fourth oldest astronomic observatory in the world; with the oldest three being Abu Simbel, Egypt; Stonehenge, Great Britain; and Angkor Wat, Cambodia. Kokino is located approximately 30 km from the town of Kumanovo, and about 6 km from the Serbian border.

3 – Ohrid Lake is the oldest and one of the deepest lakes in Europe (max depth 288m or 940ft). It is estimated 4 million years old and has 200 endemic species that haven’t been found at any other place in the world. It was declared a World Heritage site by UNESCO in 1979.

4 – Mother Theresa of Calcutta was born in Skopje, Macedonia. Even though she was born in Skopje, she was Albanian by ethnicity at the time of her birth in 1910. Today, you can see museum house dedicated to her in the center of the capital city of Skopje.

5 – Macedonia is the only country that got independence from Yugoslavia without shedding a single drop of blood. It remained entirely at peace at the heat of Yugoslav wars in the early 1990s and got independence from Yugoslavia in 1991.

6 – Another interesting feature of this country is that it has more number of mountains and mountain peaks than any other country in the world. The country has as many as 34 mountain peaks, each with a height of more than 2,000 meters above the sea-level; with Mount Golem Karb being the highest at 2,753 meters above sea-level. Most peaks in Macedonia have never been visited by people.

Matka Canyon, Skopje
Matka Canyon

7 – The Cyrillic alphabet, official in Macedonia, is based on the alphabet developed in the 9th century by two Macedonian (Region) brothers – St Cyril (thus – Cyrillic) and St Methodius. It was taught by their disciples at a monastery in Ohrid, from whence it spread across the eastern Slavic world.

8 – The official name of Macedonia in the United Nations is the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, or FYROM. This is due to a long dispute the country has with Greece regarding their history as the former Kingdom of Macedonia. Even though they’re officially FYROM in the U.N, the government has persuaded more than 130 countries (135 at the time of publication), including the United States, to recognize it as the Republic of Macedonia.

9 – Skopje has suffered quite a few devastating earthquakes throughout history, the biggest ones in 518 and in 1963, leveling most of the city. In addition, the Austro-Hungarian General Piccolomini ordered the city burnt down in the 18th Century.

Alexander the Great Statue in Skopje
Alexander the Great Statue

10 – Alexander the Great, who was king of the former Kingdom of Macedonia, was the first world-size conqueror who extended his empire across Greece and Persia to India and Egypt. During his time, the Kingdom of Macedonia was the most powerful state in the world; but after his death, the empire fell apart and it became the first Roman province in 146 B.C.

11 – Since becoming an independent nation in 1991, Macedonia has had two flags. Both its first flag and the current flag feature a yellow sun on a red background. The first version was based on a symbol found on ancient tombstones discovered in 1977 in the town of Vergina. However, Vergina is in Greek Macedonia and Greece decided to claim that they owned the copyright to use the symbol.in order to force Macedonia to change its flag, Greece blocked trade with the Republic of Macedonia and forced the UN headquarters in New York to take down the Macedonian flag. As a compromise, and to restart trading with their Greek neighbors, Macedonia changed its flag to its current one from 1995.

12 – The country’s name derives from the ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia; which was named after the ancient Macedonians. Their name, Μακεδόνες (Makedónes), derives ultimately from the ancient Greek adjective μακεδνός (makednós), meaning “tall, taper”. The name is originally believed to have meant either “highlanders” or “the tall ones”, possibly referring to the physical character of the ancient Macedonians and/or their mountainous land.

13 – The cave Peshna in Makedonski Brod was described by New York Times as looking “exactly like Helm’s Deep from Lord of the Rings”.

Skopje at Night
Skopje at night, with the Millenium Cross in the background… up in the mountain.

14 – The Millennium Cross is a 66 meter-high cross situated on the top of the Vodno Mountain in Skopje, and it is the biggest cross in the world. It was constructed to serve as a memorial of 2,000 years of Christianity in Macedonia and the world.

Know of other little-known facts?

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262 thoughts on “14 Facts You Might Not Know About Macedonia”

  1. Interesting facts, but I’m not too sure about #7. This is not a fact that they were Macedonians from this country. They are generally believed to be Byzantine Greeks from Thessaloniki in the district of Central Macedonia from Greece. I have read other countries saying that they are from there or half this or that. But, the fact of the matter remains I guess there’s no real fact on this since everyone claims them.

    1. Thanks, Mary. Actually, you have a great point. It is often confusing when referring to Macedonia, as there is the FYROM, the Region of Macedonia, and the former Kingdom of Macedonia. In this case I was referring more to the Region, though you’re right about the variety of claims of their real origins.

      1. Actually Norbert if you want to refer to region Macedonia than you are refering to wider region that includes today’s Republic of Macedonia, Greek province of Macedonia, Bulgarian part of Macedonia and small portions on Albania and Serbia. So region Macedonia is wider region consisting of these parts mentioned above.
        On the other hand about 7) actually Sc Clemente made the cyrilic alphabet in Ohrid and named the alphabet cyrilic in hounor of his teacher Sc Cyril. Sc Cyril and Methodius actully made the alphabet named glagolica on which basis Clement made the cyrilic alphabet.

        Anyway nice article about Macedonia

          1. The region of Macedonia is an urban myth that unfortunately been perpetuated in the mainstream. Calling it a region is like claiming “new Mexico’ is part of the region of Mexico because both both decided to have Mexico in their name.

            Ancient Macedon (as in the homeland of Alexander) is essentially entirely in Greece. During the time of ancient Macedonians the former Yugoslav_ republic of Macedonia was called Paeonia (Dardinia to the north). It was annexed by ancient Macedonians to their empire but not part of the original Macedon.

            There were also later Latin Roman Macedonia provinence. In the middle ages the Greek speaking Eastern Roman state also had a Macedonia (located in Thrace)

            The dispute over heritage of macedona is silly. Ancient Macedonians indisuputably self-identifed as Greeeks not Slavs. Unfortunately extremists of the former Yugoslavia have taken their recognition of names as licensee to manipulate the name to promote irredentism against Greece.

          2. Lies don’t straighten anything they add more confusion and that’s where you’ll stay… 1992 yugoslavia no longer exists after NATO bombed them for 78 days and killed 200,000 then Yugoslavia became…..??? Start there….

          1. Oh no
            That was wrong.
            We call it Disneyland!!!
            And we’ll erect statues lots of and lots of fun statues …

        1. Lies thieves and clowns
          200,000 the GREEKS that live there will change their names back to GREEK they were forced to change to save their necks and those of their families…

          1. LIARS THEIVES and CLOWNS of Skopje/Vardarska should have another generation for propagate their agenda because some still live and their kids remember the heart wrenching first hand accounts spoken by their parents and therefore we stand united in truth justice and pride.

          2. History say, that 200 ooo Macedonians were forced name change by Greeks.
            History say that Greeks were the Hellas on that land which means Hellas were Elenes the new settler
            slaves from middle eastern lands and Mediterranean. Ellenes name derive from Ellas=Ela meaning, Come.
            In Macedonian language which is proof that Elas. Greeks are new settlers while Macedonians existed
            on their land 4000 years already.
            I wonder why Macedonian history is never mentioned when talking about Greek history. If Macedonians in ancient time had name “Pelasgians”
            it must be the reason they called their first capitol city PELA.
            And so on history means ‘to create’
            in Macedonian language. To STORI=
            TO CREATE. STORY=Create.

        2. Ancient Macedonia was Pelasgian not Greek! The ancient macedonian spoke another language, different from ancient Greek. Helens (ancient Greeks) called them “barbarians” means not Greek!
          Slavic population came in Macedonia to VI-VII century! Slavic population have nothing in continuity with ancient makedonians!
          In Southern Makedonia (Thessaloniki) do not live “Greeks”. The neo-Greeks living there are of Albanian, Slavic, Romanian or Turkish origins!

          1. OK if you don’t know history please don’t speak. We are trying to have a serious talk and your lack of knowledge is at the best annoying. Read some real books not propaganda Turkish trash.

          2. Probably at your history class you were drawing lines at the desk…..
            Pelasgians were Hellenes as Dorians, Ionians, Aiolians. It was just tribe like provinces
            They called them barbarians beacuse they had different culture from the south Hellens till that time but after the participations at some Olympic games they accepted them as Hellenes
            and something that you dont know you and the writer that refers as Macedonia at a Yugoslavian remains , is that Alexander was the first that unite ALL the Hellenes under the name of Hellas (Greece) and not be different as city states, so that time all the Hellenes had differences between them. Understand now? And at Thessaloniki are some minorities not the clue “not Greeks at all” , u mongol “dont know history at all” piece of shit.

          3. The state of Skopje stole the name of Macedonia in 1945. Previously it was named Vardarska How can a state change its name and nationality within a few days? The former president of Skopje Gligorov said that Skopjans are Slavs, as is testified by their names. The famous ancient geographer Strabon wrote: “Macedonia is Greece.” The historical name of Skopje from the years of Alexander the Great until its conquest by the Turks (in 1380), based on historical evidence, was VARDARSA.

            The citizens of Skopje are Slavs & Slavs did not exist in Macedonia before the 6th-7th centuries AD; Slavs who lived in the geographical region of “Macedonia” before the Second World War were known as Bulgarians.

            They say that people should have the right to choose a name for themselves. I agree, but on the condition that this name is NOT already used by others. It should not apply: “My own unlimited freedom is the oppression of my neighbor.” If we are in a bus full of people, we do not have the freedom to start smoking because the smoke will bother the non-smokers. Our freedom stops where the freedom of another begins. The same with the nations, and the supposed freedom of “some” to choose a name: they may choose anything they want in the “Balkan Bus”, but not something that represses their neighbors, or that makes them feel that they have to defend for a part of their own country. And as their ancestor Krste Misirkov wrote in 1903:
            “Some will ask why I speak of secession (separation) from the Bulgarians when we formerly called ourselves Bulgarians, and when it is generally accepted that the union is power-producing rather than separation. And, in any case, what kind of new Macedonian nation can this be when we, our fathers, our grandparents and our grandparents, have always been called Bulgarians?”

            However, the word “Macedonia” is of Greek origin. The inhabitant of the ancient region of “Makedon”, in ancient Greek was called “Makedonos”. The root “Mac” derives from the Greek word “makos”, the Doric type of Attic meaning “length”. In short, “Macedonian” meant: “tall man.” The name of Alexander is also of Greek origin. The name “Alexandros” consists of 2 parts: the “Alex” (is a prefix), meaning “protector” & “Andras” meaning “man”. In short, “Alexander” means: “Men’s protector” in Greek, though … in any other language … means absolutely nothing, because the word is of Greek origin, and not of Slavic.

            The idea of a Macedonian ethnicity came up in Skopje during the period of former Yugoslavia, when Marshal Josh Broz Tito ruled it. It was Tito who introduced through a declaration the idea that the so-called “Macedonians” live in the southern part of Yugoslavia. He did so for 3 reasons: 1) to cut them off from their Bulgarian relatives so that Bulgaria will not claim any Yugoslav territory; 2) in order to later claim the entire geographical region of Macedonia, as it was “inhabited by Macedonians”; 3) to find a way out in the Aegean Sea, since he was aiming to unify all of Macedonia & make it a province of Yugoslavia.

          4. Ever since the days of Homer, Greeks have long idealized their Mycenaean “ancestors” in epic poems and classic tragedies that glorify the exploits of Odysseus, King Agamemnon, and other heroes who went in and out of favor with the Greek gods. Although these Mycenaeans were fictitious, scholars have debated whether today’s Greeks descend from the actual Mycenaeans, who created a famous civilization that dominated mainland Greece and the Aegean Sea from about 1600 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E., or whether the ancient Mycenaeans simply vanished from the region.

            Now, ancient DNA suggests that living Greeks are indeed the descendants of Mycenaeans, with only a small proportion of DNA from later migrations to Greece. And the Mycenaeans themselves were closely related to the earlier Minoans, the study reveals, another great civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from 2600 B.C.E. to 1400 B.C.E. (named for the mythical King Minos).

            The Lion Gate was the main entrance to the Bronze Age citadel of Mycenae, the center of the Mycenaean civilization.

            RnDmS/iStockphoto
            The ancient DNA comes from the teeth of 19 people, including 10 Minoans from Crete dating to 2900 B.C.E. to 1700 BCE, four Mycenaeans from the archaeological site at Mycenae and other cemeteries on the Greek mainland dating from 1700 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E., and five people from other early farming or Bronze Age (5400 B.C.E. to 1340 B.C.E.) cultures in Greece and Turkey. By comparing 1.2 million letters of genetic code across these genomes to those of 334 other ancient people from around the world and 30 modern Greeks, the researchers were able to plot how the individuals were related to each other.
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            The ancient Mycenaeans and Minoans were most closely related to each other, and they both got three-quarters of their DNA from early farmers who lived in Greece and southwestern Anatolia, which is now part of Turkey, the team reports today in Nature. Both cultures additionally inherited DNA from people from the eastern Caucasus, near modern-day Iran, suggesting an early migration of people from the east after the early farmers settled there but before Mycenaeans split from Minoans.

            The Mycenaeans did have an important difference: They had some DNA—4% to 16%—from northern ancestors who came from Eastern Europe or Siberia. This suggests that a second wave of people from the Eurasian steppe came to mainland Greece by way of Eastern Europe or Armenia, but didn’t reach Crete, says Iosif Lazaridis, a population geneticist at Harvard University who co-led the study.

            This dancing Minoan woman from a fresco at Knossos, Crete (1600–1450 B.C.E.), resembles the Mycenaean women (above).

            Wolfgang Sauber/Wikimedia Commons
            Not surprisingly, the Minoans and Mycenaeans looked alike, both carrying genes for brown hair and brown eyes. Artists in both cultures painted dark-haired, dark-eyed people on frescoes and pottery who resemble each other, although the two cultures spoke and wrote different languages. The Mycenaeans were more militaristic, with art replete with spears and images of war, whereas Minoan art showed few signs of warfare, Lazaridis says. Because the Minoans script used hieroglyphics, some archaeologists thought they were partly Egyptian, which turns out to be false.

            When the researchers compared the DNA of modern Greeks to that of ancient Mycenaeans, they found a lot of genetic overlap. Modern Greeks share similar proportions of DNA from the same ancestral sources as Mycenaeans, although they have inherited a little less DNA from ancient Anatolian farmers and a bit more DNA from later migrations to Greece.

            The continuity between the Mycenaeans and living people is “particularly striking given that the Aegean has been a crossroads of civilizations for thousands of years,” says co-author George Stamatoyannopoulos of the University of Washington in Seattle. This suggests that the major components of the Greeks’ ancestry were already in place in the Bronze Age, after the migration of the earliest farmers from Anatolia set the template for the genetic makeup of Greeks and, in fact, most Europeans. “The spread of farming populations was the decisive moment when the major elements of the Greek population were already provided,” says archaeologist Colin Renfrew of the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom, who was not involved in the work.

            The results also show it is possible to get ancient DNA from the hot, dry landscape of the eastern Mediterranean, Renfrew says. He and others now have hope for getting DNA from groups such as the mysterious Hittites who came to ancient Anatolia sometime before 2000 B.C.E. and who may have been the source of Caucasian ancestry in Mycenaeans and early Indo-European languages in the region. Archaeologist Kristian Kristiansen of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden, who was not involved in the work, agrees. “The results have now opened up the next chapter in the genetic history of western Eurasia—that of the Bronze Age Mediterranean.”

          5. At last the truth has bin told
            about Macedonians.
            Original name i MAKEDON.
            Historically in Macedonian language the meaning of the MA-KE-DON =
            We are descendants of the lands of MA, We will (KE) become, the DON (owners) of new land. And they did.
            In Macedonian language (I JA) means and I. Makedonija was born.

      2. Great points you can not answer became you know not what you say…
        Confused to confuse those that know not any better…
        You know better the propaganda pill you swallowed went straight to your brain cells and killed more than a few…

        1. There are over 200,000 Greeks living all over Skopje Vardarska … They don’t have Greek names because they were forced to change them…
          Guess what many have choosen to change them back to GREEK name and show their heritage…
          Happening NOW!!!

          1. Lmao you are one confused person. “Ancient Macedonians” a macedonian is a MACEDONIAN. Greeks are Greeks and Serbian is Serbian. You Greeks fight over the name Macedonia because you want to be Macedonian. Macedonia was the toughest empire and since it has fallen Albania, Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia have all taken a piece of the country… this is why there is a Macedonian region in Greece. Alexander the great, king if macedonia (not greece). The way the english took over america. There are still natives, just as well as there are nativ Macedonians in Macedonia. If you want to go back in time… the balkans were once under Turkish rule… do you classify Greeks as Turks?

        1. USA, you need to decide how you want to be called.
          You may either be a Slav from Vardarska? or a Macedonian from Hellas or a citizen from USA as your name proves?

          In regards of history, I say that you are confused in such a great extend that you need to do a serious research about who Ancient Macedonians were!
          You are right when saying that a macedonian is a MACEDONIAN indeed! Only forgot to mention that Macedonians were one of the Hellenic tribes back then, like Spartans, Corinthians, Athenians, etc. since they didn’t use the term Hellenes (Greeks) in general.
          Philippos was the first that called all Hellenic tribes to be united under the term of Hellenes!

          Another FACT that isn’t mentioned and needs to be added to the above 14 facts mentioned in that propagandistic article is that Macedonians were speaking the Hellenic language or you can call it Greek if you would rather prefer.
          Every ancient Macedonian ruin and script found is written in the Greek language. Just do a little of research and if you are Macedonian as you claim try read them. You know, contemporary Hellenes or Greeks can still read those ancient scripts. What about you?

          It is you from Vardarska that actually fight over the name of Macedonia because you want to be Macedonians. That is really very nice and flattering for us, however you don’t have to be ashamed of your Slavic origins! You have to be proud of who you are. You have to be proud of your Slavic history instead of trying to be somebody else!

      3. The late President of the Greek Republic, K. Karamanlis in 1992 said: “Macedonia is only One and is Greek.” The historical name of Skopje from the years of Alexander the Great until its conquest by the Turks (in 1380), based on historical evidence, was VARDARSA. The former president of Skopje Gligorov said that Skopjans are Slavs, as is testified by their names. The famous ancient geographer Strabon wrote: “Macedonia is Greece.”

        The citizens of Skopje are Slavs & Slavs did not exist in Macedonia before the 6th-7th centuries AD; Slavs who lived in the geographical region of “Macedonia” before the Second World War were known as Bulgarians.
        However, the word “Macedonia” is of Greek origin. The inhabitant of the ancient region of “Makedon”, in ancient Greek was called “Makedonos”. The root “Mac” derives from the Greek word “makos”, the Doric type of Attic meaning “length”. In short, “Macedonian” meant: “tall man.” The name of Alexander is also of Greek origin. The name “Alexandros” consists of 2 parts: the “Alex” (is a prefix), meaning “protector” & “Andras” meaning “man”. In short, “Alexander” means: “Men’s protector” in Greek, though … in any other language … means absolutely nothing, because the word is of Greek origin, and not of Slavic.

        The idea of a Macedonian ethnicity came up in Skopje during the period of former Yugoslavia, when Marshal Josh Broz Tito ruled it. It was Tito who introduced through a declaration the idea that the so-called “Macedonians” live in the southern part of Yugoslavia. He did so for 3 reasons: 1) to cut them off from their Bulgarian relatives so that Bulgaria will not claim any Yugoslav territory; 2) in order to later claim the entire geographical region of Macedonia, as it was “inhabited by Macedonians”; 3) to find a way out in the Aegean Sea, since he was aiming to unify all of Macedonia & make it a province of Yugoslavia.

      4. Nice article about Macedonia indeed!

        Only, it needs some corrections!

        1 – Monasteries of St. Bogodorica Prechista in Kichevo, and St. Jovan Bigorski and St. Georgij Pobedonosec in Debar are NOT in Macedonia but in FYRoM or commonly known Vardarska!

        2 – Kokino is located approximately 30 km from the town of Kumanovo, and about 6 km from the Serbian border which is again in Vardarska!

        3 – Ohrid Lake which was declared a World Heritage site by UNESCO in 1979 located in Vardarska!

        4 – Mother Theresa of Calcutta was born in Skopje, Vardarska. Even though she was born in Skopje, she was Albanian by ethnicity at the time of her birth in 1910. Today, you can see museum house dedicated to her in the center of the capital city of Skopje.

        5 – Vardarska the so called FYRoM, is the only country that got independence from Yugoslavia without shedding a single drop of blood. It remained entirely at peace at the heat of Yugoslav wars in the early 1990s and got independence from Yugoslavia in 1991. That is true, previous area of Slav republic!

        6 – Another interesting feature of this country is that it has more number of mountains and mountain peaks than any other country in the world. The country has as many as 34 mountain peaks, each with a height of more than 2,000 meters above the sea-level; with Mount Golem Karb being the highest at 2,753 meters above sea-level. Most peaks in Macedonia have never been visited by people.

        7 – The Cyrillic alphabet, is not official in Macedonia. It is official to Slavs and of course to Vardarska as well. And it is correctly mentioned that it was taught by their disciples at a monastery in Ohrid, from whence it spread across the eastern Slavic world.

        8 – The official name of Vardarska in the United Nations is the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, or FYROM. Not to be confused with Macedonia and the former Kingdom of Macedonia which is Greek!

        10 – Alexander the Great, had nothing to do with Slavs as he was king of the former Kingdom of Macedonia, was the first world-size conqueror who extended his empire across Persia to India and Egypt. During his time, the Kingdom of Macedonia was the most powerful state in the world; but after his death, the empire fell apart and it became the first Roman province in 146 B.C.

        11 – Since becoming an independent nation in 1991, Vardarska has had two flags. Both its first flag and the current flag feature a yellow sun on a red background. The first version was based on a symbol found on ancient tombstones discovered in 1977 in the town of Vergina area of Macedonia in Greece. Vardarska, the so called FYRoM tried to claim that they owned the copyright to use the symbol, despite that has nothing to do with Slavic civilization.

        12 – The country’s name derives from the ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia; which was named after the ancient Macedonians. Their name, Μακεδόνες (Makedónes), derives ultimately from the ancient Greek adjective μακεδνός (makednós), meaning “tall, taper”. The name is originally believed to have meant either “highlanders” or “the tall ones”, possibly referring to the physical character of the ancient Macedonians and/or their mountainous land.

        Know of other little-known facts?

        Lastly, if you’re visiting Macedonia soon, take advantage of these hotel deals in Macedonia from HotelsCombined. Also, Viator offers dedicated tours of the best locations in the country at very affordable prices. Not to be missed!

        So, in order not to be confused, downbelow you will find some extra information about Macedonia, so to be well informed when visited that historical part of Greece!

        Macedonia (Greece)
        For other uses, see Macedonia (disambiguation).
        Macedonia, Μακεδονία
        Traditional region of Greece

        Macedonia (blue) within Greece
        Country Greece
        Region established 1913
        Capital Thessaloniki Thessaloniki
        Population (2011 census)
        • Total 2,400,721
        Demonym(s) Macedonian

        Macedonia (/ˌmæsɪˈdoʊniə/ (About this sound listen) MASS-i-DOH-nee-ə; Greek: Μακεδονία, translit. Makedonía [maceðoˈnia]) is a geographic and historical region of Greece in the southern Balkans. Macedonia is the largest and second most populous Greek region, dominated by mountains in the interior and the port cities of Thessaloniki (or Salonika) and Kavala on its southern coastline. Macedonia is part of Northern Greece, together with Thrace and sometimes Thessaly and Epirus.

        It incorporates most of the territories of ancient Macedon, a kingdom ruled by the Argeads whose most celebrated members were Alexander the Great and his father Philip II. The name Macedonia was later applied to identify various administrative areas in the Roman/Byzantine Empire with widely differing borders (see Macedonia (region) for details).

        Even before the establishment of the modern Greek state in 1830, it was identified as a Greek province, albeit without clearly defined geographical borders.

        Thank you Norbert!
        Have a great time in Macedonia, Greece!

    2. Mary, the nowadays Macedonians have proved to derive from the Ancient Macedonians (same people who conquered Greece 2000+ years ago). This was proven when they took D.N.A. samples from people all around the Balkans, including Greeks. Now, it turned out that the Greeks derive from a sub-Saharan tribe, while the Macedonians had more than 6% left of “the Ancient blood”, and it’s also worth mentioning that the now Greek region of Macedonia, used to belong to the Republic of Macedonia, or as the Greeks like to call Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (which doesn’t really matter to us, since we all know we’re Macedonians, and Greeks are Greeks, as they can’t be both Greeks & Macedonians at the same time because it’s simply ridiculous), but was divided in 1913 with the Bucharest Agreement. Read more before writing about two separate nations, don’t get confused by Greek propaganda.

      1. Vasilis Roussos

        That time there was no Greece. The Greeks had many countries and the Makedonia was one of them. Greeks or Macedonians, it is the same thing. Is that so hard to understand? It’s not propaganda, it is fact. They in FYROM with DNA Makedonianns are Greeks or Macedonians who today lives on the other side of the Greek borders. It is logical because not all of the ancient Macedonia is within the Greek borders today

        1. Vasilis Roussos

          If we look a little closer into the DNA of all living around the Mediterranean should all have Greek DNA But where is Greece today, it’s just a story to write in the books. I think you should take what you have and look forward. You told me that I should look forward. But do not you. You insult Greece and Greeks all the time, why?

          1. The historical name of Skopje from the years of Alexander the Great until its conquest by the Turks (in 1380), based on historical evidence, was VARDARSA.
            The citizens of Skopje are Slavs & Slavs did not exist in Macedonia before the 6th-7th centuries AD; Slavs who lived in the geographical region of “Macedonia” before the Second World War were known as Bulgarians.
            And as their ancestor Krste Misirkov wrote in 1903:
            “Some will ask why I speak of secession (separation) from the Bulgarians when we formerly called ourselves Bulgarians, and when it is generally accepted that the union is power-producing rather than separation. And, in any case, what kind of new Macedonian nation can this be when we, our fathers, our grandparents and our grandparents, have always been called Bulgarians?”

        2. Vasilis Vasilis Vasilis!!! you said
          “the Greeks had many countries and Makedonia was one of them (WRONG)
          “Greeks or Macedonians it is the same thing” (WRONG)

          I don’t know which books your reading but how ever i will advise you to read books from world historians.

          DNA does prove that people in the balkan come across as white people with blue eyes and blond hair (Slavic People) as Alexander the Great Matched all three

          DNA from Greece matches Egyption people: Olive colour with Dark features

          Now the difference between these to countries is not just there DNA looks but also have a completely different Language and culture

          hopefully this answers and help guide you to the truth of world history

          1. It was named by the Macedonian Greeks who lived and ruled there … It’s Greek name is lichnida for it means the “city of lights” apparently Macedonia had many lightening bugs, that would illuminate the area above the water and add double the little lights… It must have been beautiful… Is it still thay way today? …pssssst all the Christian chuches built there are mostly Greek orthodox… The chuch by that lake (yep) saint Pandelemon Greek saint… My Greek uncle was named after him. His nickname is Pandeli or Pando as some call him… What’s in a name. Everything . who changed the name of that church to saint Naum… better yet why. I wonder if we can change the name of saint Paul’s or saint Patrick’s cathedral in New York city… How would that work… UNESCO should not jump to add misinformation to a list of the world’s history!!! ALL OF THE ANCIENT SEVEN WONDERS OF THE WORLD were Greek in origin… Look it up!!!

          2. why did Macedonians speak Greek than you fool? Have not seen 1 ancient coin that has any writing other than Greek. There are 4 million Macedonian Greeks that are very proud of their ancestors. Your politicians are turning Bulgarian is that not true?

          3. Peter Smith,

            It is actually YOU that need to read some history! And I mean real
            history from official historical sources, not poor propaganda!

            Hellenes/Greeks didn’t have many countries.Back then the term Helleen/Greek wasn’t widely used because there was a number of Hellenic/Greek tribes and cities, like Sparta, Korinthos, Athens, Thiva, Macedonia, etc. Unfortunately all of those cities were fighting each other and unified only again their common enemy, Persians!
            However, they were speaking the same language and sharing the same customs.
            You are advising others to read books from world historians, however, you don’t seem to read them by yourself!

            The only thing that you are admitting, and that really honors you is that you are originated from Slavic tribes. It is not bad. Actually you have to be proud that you are a Slav!
            On the other hand, wouldn’t be possible Alexander to be a Slav himself, since the oldest mention of the Slavic ethnonym is from Procopious in the 6th century.

            I am not going to refer to any other of the non-sense that you are mentioning regarding Egyptians and staff as such because if I’ll do it you will be really feel sorry of your great historical ignorance!

            I am just suggesting, you should read a lot’s of History!
            Just EDUCATE your self!

        3. It is not hard to comprehend. You combine countries together to form a new country called Greece and now try to claim all those countries are ethnic Greek. So why aren’t you turkish. Didn’t the Otooman Empire unite all the city states to form the Ottoman? This si basically what you are saying. City states is another type of propaganda. Are the croatians and slovenian ethnic Serbians, Yugoslavia united all the city states. Let’s start saying ancient yugoslavia.

          If you think you are so Greek and Greek has so much Ancient Greek Histroy. Why isn’t there not one ancient Artifact that says Hellas in the Koine language not the renamed Ancient Greek Langauge. Let’s not forget that as well.

          Also, Ottoman Empire Ruled the Balkans for 500 years. So during that time if they excavated historical sites, is it fair to say they are Turkish because they were in Ottoman Land at time of excavataion. This is exactly what you are doing now.

          Oh I forget. Greece expelled thousands of Macedonians from Aegean Macedonia after its division, renamed all macedonian surnames to sound Greek (Koine) an drenamed all the cities. And of course the Macedonia was banned (hich they so love to call now Macedonia is Greek) and they actually rename the Macedonian terrioty they took in 1913 to Northern Greece. Amazing facts isin’t it.

          1. Dear Tony you seem to forgotten the “thousand of Macedonians” you claim Greece expelled… were actually ethnic Bulgarians playing this exact Macedonia game you are still playing. You also seem to have forgotten what your own politicians assured your apologists before they recognized you as “Macedonians”.

            ‘We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM Ambassador to Canada, Ottawa Citizen Newspaper, February 24 1999

            “We are Slavs. There’s no connection between us and Alexander the Great. ” – Kiro Gligorov, President of FYROM
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZvlC5VWmuA

            “The creation of the Macedonian nation, for almost half of a century, was done in a condition of single-party dictatorship. In those times, there was no difference between science and ideology, so the “Macedonian” historiography, unopposed by anybody, comfortably performed a selection of the historic material from which the “Macedonian” identity was created. There is nothing atypical here for the process of the creation of any modern nation, except when falsification from the type of substitution of the word “Bulgarian” with the word “Macedonian” were made.” (Denko Maleski, former Minister of foreign affairs of FYROM from 1991 to 1993 in an interview to FYROM newspaper Utrinski Vesnik)

          2. see where you like to confuse yourself and others by repeating the same lies over and over and twist and then add but not then repeat over and over… you all sound ridiculous at this point… that is precisely why you will never know the truth – you are bent out of shape refusing to accept that pres papa Bush made a big mistake the first week in office – SIGNED A PIECE OF PAPER – he ha not researched at all!!!!!!! then this happened…. 24 years later this i still happening…. we don’t need to define you, you are doing pretty much what you will until it comes to a big disappointment for you all!!

          3. You have become really good at rewriting our history to get what you want…
            A HISTORY CULTURE ART MUSIC FOOD TRADITIONS DRESS LANGUAGE FOLK STORIES RELIGION and all else that give OUR THOUSANDS OF YEARS TO YOU so that you enter the EU and NATO to take part in a pipeline…

            Dream on…
            World knows
            Pipeline won’t happen
            EU will dismantle
            NATO won’t be bought

          4. ruben navarro

            wow thanks for the enlightment. i was just curious of alexander the great from macedonia and why he was being tutored by a greek philosoher named aristole. consequently alexander became enthusiast and transmitter of greek culture, even as he conquered greece, if this is true, then alexander went beyond borders and conquered the world as we know today. alexanders ideals weathered time and history. Greek or alexander’s, the seeds has been sprouting in the past and today.

        4. The homeland of ancient Macedonians including its capital are located in… Macedonia… Greece.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pella

          Unfortunately the foreigners that offensively claimed Skopians as “Macedonians” didn’t bother to do their history and geography homework, Instead they whined about Greeks and bought into the pity propaganda of obvoius Slavs.

          Now that the former Yugoslavians have turned from Slav into “ancient macedonians” right before their eyes… they all, quite unethically, downplay their identity quick change into apparently antihellenic Slavic founders of the Hellenistic period. Even a little common sense today would reveal Skopje’s historical claims are plain ridiculous..

          Everyone always says they would have stood up for the Jews during WW2. However this isn’t true. The truth is the majority turn into monsters if the majority or people in authority do.

          In trying to understand why Germans would commit such atrocities Stanley Milgram revealed the true nature of the masses. The Macedonia name dispute is just another of this. Since billions of people betrayed Greeks… billions unethically evade over Skopje’s bizarre attempt to usurp the identity of under people. Much safer to follow the pack than to have any actual ethics.

          This effectively amounts to collusion in subtle attempt to ethnic cleanse Greeks. The billions that called former Yugoslavians are now morally complicit in a subtle attempted genocide.

          1. Did you forget about the Treaty of Bucharest. Or did they skip that in your history class… Macedonia was broken apart. A piece to Greece, a piece to Bulgaria and a piece to the Serbs…

          2. USA, thanks for mentioning about Bucharest Treaty.

            Your saying, indeed enforce what Hellas is claiming about History, Name, Culture, etc.!

            Following the two Balkan wars of 1912 and 1913 and after the fall of Ottoman Empire, most of its European-held territories were divided between Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia. In order to be more precise, with that treaty, 52% of Ancient territory of Macedonia provided to contemporary Greece, 38% to Serbia & 10% to Bulgaria.

            The territory of the modern Macedonian state was annexed by Serbia as part of the newly formed Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes and named Južna Srbija, “Southern Serbia”.
            An introduction of anti-Bulgarian measures took place like, Bulgarian teachers and clergy were expelled, Bulgarian language signs and books removed, and all Bulgarian organisations dissolved.
            The Serbian government pursued a policy of forced Serbianisation in the region, which included systematic repression of other ehtnic groups by altering family surnames, internal colonisation, forced labor, and intense propaganda. To aid the implementation of this policy, some 50,000 Serbian army were stationed in the territory. By 1940 about 280 Serbian colonies, comprising of 4,200 families were established as part of the government’s internal colonisation program in the area.

            In 1929, the Kingdom was officially renamed the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and divided into provinces called banovinas. Southern Serbia, including all of what is now Vardarska, the so called FYRoM, became known as the Vardar Banovina of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.

            Thanks again USA for clarifying that about the Serbs!
            Your comment helps in order one to understand about the Slavic and Bulgarian origins of the contemporary people who are now living in the country, And of course enforce the point that those people are NOT of Macedonian (Greek) origins!

          3. Which Macedonia? By Bucharest treaty which was dedicated to the Greece side? And before that, it was never Greece.

        1. While riots were happening in Greece I/we went with thousands of other Greeks from all over the country to the steps of Washington DC White House to protest – in protest of what the then Pres G Bush did without any real prior knowledge the first week in office….
          The reporters repeatedly would ask us “What’s in a Name?” “it’s simply a name, what is the protest about?” what was/is/will be the protest – THE SIMPLE NAME IS OUR HISTORY, OUR CULTURE and OUR ANCESTRY that’s what’s in a name…!

          This was a plan – there is now pipeline going through that area and if we connect the dots and follow the money as they say…
          Then the picture becomes much clearer why an entire country that has simply demanded a name that was NOT in any way shape or form theirs to use and to have and to flaunt and to rub in our Greek faces -a name of An Ancient territory and An Ancient People they have absolutely no connection to… This is the biggest farse ever in the history books and mankind…

      2. I have been active in this fight since 1992 … I have gone to the white house after pres g bush signed papers the first week in office allowing someone other than GREEK to use the name Macedonia as they had no real connection to… There is where the story begins………. Since then these liers thieves and clowns beleive as a whole the propaganda of their propagandists gov (of which many were riddled with corruption) and the farse continues…

      3. Funny how you lie cheat steal abs rewite history and by propagating it bt repating over and over again you think it will stick… FYI Mount Olympis is the tallest peak in all of Macedonia … Please read and comprehension is key!!!

      4. In DNA … there is proof …
        Talk is cheap and your lies and propaganda have ended …
        Take this entire stream down unless you want to be remembered as a Skopje Vardar liar theif clown

      5. Hey Toni ?

        Your clever and know your history

        From a Macedonets who’s father, grandfather and his grandfather were…macedonian

        My Grandfather whom i loved dearly and by no choice of his own helped hellenise greece. I guess the greeks couldn t do it on they re own…for how long? Lol Meanwhile his brother told the greeks to fuck off and became a partizan. Greeks, Africans or Turks…which one are they? Look at Greece now…birthplace of politics…lol
        Shame. Never had anything, never will
        No brother of mine

        1. There is but One Macedonia and it is HELLENE aka GREEK it is located where it was / is / will continue to be until the world comes to an end!!! GET IT – All of Greece’s states had their own dialect to keep others from understanding them – We don’t need to define ourselves the world knows who We are – who are you again…???
          Albanian / Bulgarian / Turk / Yugoslavian / Gypsy that would make it five different languages brewed into one – you want to call it “Macedonian” I peed my pants with that one… We don’t need to create a language it has been around for thousands of years…
          You can rewrite all you want history is in books that educated people have read and continue to read, your lies do not erase the truth – Tito is dead and so is his/your agenda – move along…

          1. Then that makes you Turkish as well… because if i do recall the Ottoman ruled Greece as well…

        2. Hey Egetz!

          Your name sounds like a Turkish one! You are not even Slav!
          … but it is OK!
          I don’t know if you are a Turk or a Slav which I doubt, however, you have to compromise with the idea that Macedonians were and will always be Greeks! Don’t be ashamed of your true origins, either Turk or Slav, (doubtful to be a Slav taking name into consideration), but definitely not Macedonian, you need to be proud of your origins!

          Next time try to gain some true knowledge before being exposed!

      6. WTF were are you reading this shit from… it never happened man wtf are you saying. go visit a doctor… a psychiatrist would do the job

      7. Read some history yourself that at 1950s you claimed that you were Bulgarian or you dont know that ?
        Macedonia = Hellenic region, that at some fields included your shithouse belonged there, as Persia belonged at Macedonian Empire.
        so with the same monkey logic of yours, Iraq is also Macedonia?
        You dont speak even Greek, you dont know our Gods, you just have a cyrillic alphabet that somehow reminds of Greece (And Kyrillos and Methodios were GREEKS also)
        You are eating your politic propaganda to take your taxes to build stupid monuments of Alexander, and believing that your past is Alexander…..
        I feel pity for you , you are Slav, and Slavs had history too so if you are so insecure about that, dont be so stupid, and be fucked from your media propaganda, and mainly dont steal history because you don’t have yours
        Pizda

      8. Macedonia is a Greek word meaning tall, long, from the makro. Alexander is a Greek name meaning protector of men, Phillip is a Greek name meaning friend. The first King of Macedonia was called Cacanus who left the Pelloponese and travelled north, this was in 750bc. Cacanus had children which had children which had grandchildren who eventually became King Phillip and then King Alexander. Try and understand this, so ancestors of Alexander the Great came from the Pelloponese, that is not too hard to understand is it? Now Alexander the Great was born in the Ancient city of Pella (another Greek word). He was born 350bc. Pella has Hellenic ancient ruins dating back to 500bc years, well before Alexander and Phillip were born, part of these ancient artifacts that were discovered was ancient Hellenic writing which I can read, that writing is called Doric Greek which is what Alexander spoke and also which the Spartans spoke and other Ancient Greek tribes spoke. Alexander the Great spread Hellenic culture through Europe and the Middle East he did not spread Slavic culture. His mothers name was Olympia another Greek name, his half sister, Cassandra another Greek name. Why does a country want to give itself a name that has no meaning in the Slavic language when especially Slavs don’t like Greeks? Do your homework,read your history. Cheers?

    3. There are facts … These people claim be be one Tribe Macedonian… While they are a true mix of all of their neighbors i including Albanian and Greek… The only Macedonian they want to claim is Alexander the great (who was Greek) the only lake they claim ohrid (lichnida) wad named by Greeks… The only mountain they want claim is vodno (gk; vouno) even the name of the capital is a greek word for lookout as in the many lookout towers that Greeks left behind when the ottoman rule forced greeks out from that entire area including Albania … So Yugoslavia was these people all along. Please they are liets theives and propagandist people that see a pipeline coming through That region. Nothing is othet than Greek when the name Macedonia is involved. END OF STORY they can claim air we claim facts and proof.

    4. Aren’t you Disneyworld… I could be wrong? Anything and everything Macedonia is GREEK… Like it or not… Prehaps we move in to our new land named for ys and we claim rights to the land airport cafe’s. And everything and anything you have named for us and in honor of my ancestors…. We thank you !!!

    5. Alexander the Great was King of HELLENE GREEK “MACEDONIA” – just as Sparta, Epirus, Athens, Thassos – there are over 140 different slight variations on Greek dialects ON OVER 2,000 islands and the mainlands…
      To this day people say I am Thassian Greek or I am Borio Epirotisa, Greek because we are proud of our own region or Island – but we are all under the same heading of GREEK!!!!!!! Just as the various tribes of the American Indians – were many tribes and spoke slightly different or very different in fact… But they were all the same people! Indians!!!!!!!
      Those people that were given the name to use by the then pres papa Bush the first week in office (1992) “who had no business doing that” since he had no clue what he had just done in fact… Let’s blame this whole lie, theft, and clowning around on him!!!!!!! Then on his son who insists (I quote) “to perpetuate/propagate a lie you need to repeat in over and over again” which lie was he referring to?

    6. MY GOD, to all of you that comment here and thank this idiot for the information he has given you!!!! First of all you must be analphabetic and stupid since you are totally clueless when it comes to history!
      Second of all let me tell you one simple thing if this people who live today in this so called country FYROM are Macedonian WHY DONT YOU SPEAK GREEK????? Because thats the language of Macedonians.
      So for all you idiots out there get your facts right. MACEDONIA IS GREEK ALWAYS HAS BEEN ALWAYS WILL BE!!!!!!

      1. …and you got this info from your grandparents that were Greek speaking reading and comprehensive dialogue with them or from the rewritten version of your corrupt politician’s that want to join NATO and EU to share in the pipeline… That will never come…

    7. Like I keep saying 1992 papa Bush made the biggest mistake in history and baby Bush covered up the lie of the century by saying, and I quote “To propagate a lie you simply have to repeat it over and over again” great job papa n baby bushes… The curupt gov had an agenda… Can you guess what it was……..

        1. How Funny are you –
          have you looked around lately…?
          You are not doing any better – actually your corrupt government is doing pretty well with that one commodity you guys grow and it ain’t tobacco…
          So before you throw stones at anyone – think why the Big banks, EU, UN, NATO, CIA and NASA are all doing pretty well as is Merkle while all the countries of the East are at each others throats – If you had done your homework and asked the countries to start and join United Europe and ignore the European Union which is headed into the One World Order sooner than later…
          I would say you are smart, but you clearly are Not!!!
          Plan; They win we lose.

    8. It was named by the Macedonian Greeks who lived and ruled there … It’s Greek name is lichnida for it means the “city of lights” apparently Macedonia had many lightening bugs, that would illuminate the area above the water and add double the little lights… It must have been beautiful… Is it still thay way today? …pssssst all the Christian chuches built there are mostly Greek orthodox… The chuch by that lake (yep) saint Pandelemon Greek saint… My Greek uncle was named after him. His nickname is Pandeli or Pando as some call him… What’s in a name. Everything . who changed the name of that church to saint Naum… better yet why. I wonder if we can change the name of saint Paul’s or saint Patrick’s cathedral in New York city… How would that work… UNESCO should not jump to add misinformation to a list of the world’s history!!! ALL OF THE ANCIENT SEVEN WONDERS OF THE WORLD were Greek in origin… Look it up!!!

    9. Only one thing to be said macedonians hated Greeks 2500 years ago and still hate them today….they are not greek…but it seems Greeks have wanted to be Macedonians the whole time and still wish they were…pathetic

    10. It is interesting to see how many people do not know Makedonian history, but are redy to mix it with Greek history which did not exist at time when ancient Makedonians settled the land we so well know from their history as Makedonia. As individuals you have no right to create the history if suit you. You must see beyond and except the truth. Makedonians are older then 6000 years on that place.

    11. The plain fact about Macedonia is 6000 years of existence. That beets Greece, and all other nations around the land of Macedonia. Why people do not recognise and except the historical facts of this ancient land is political stupidity. Go fight with them. Macedonians suffer for it. Smart politicians do not exist and thats why Macedonians suffer indignity from all other nations around.

  2. Hi Norbert.
    About the number 3. Ohrid is really a great lake but it’s one of the deepest lakes in Europe, not the deepest.
    This is from wiki but you can verify it from reliable sources also:
    “Hornindalsvatnet is Norway’s and Europe’s deepest lake, officially measured to a depth of 514 metres (1,686 ft).”

    Oliver

      1. It was named by the Macedonian Greeks who lived and ruled there … It’s Greek name is lichnida for it means the “city of lights” apparently Macedonia had many lightening bugs, that would illuminate the area above the water and add double the little lights… It must have been beautiful… Is it still thay way today?

      2. #5
        Papa Bush less than a week in office allowed the use of the name they had no right to…
        They won independence from whom… Who are they.
        Yugoslavia was bombed by NATO for 78 days and 200,000 died the rest went where???
        Who were they???
        Macedonians spoke wrote and comprehended Greek…
        You Vardarskians aka Skopjians aka FYROM aka FYROV aka ROM aka Macedon aka Macedonia are who??? Where did you come from…
        Did you just wake up…
        Were you under attack or held captive or unable to speak until now…
        REALLY you just got internet?

      3. Fact is you based your little ditty on no facts – just wishful thinking –
        May I ask you, what you studied in school ??? In my opinion it clearly was not ancient history or maps or linguistics – ty

    1. You are not honest here either. When someone writes something that is not in the same ring with your you take away that, makedonia Greece and Makedones are Greeks. All else is false. YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE FRIENDS WITH GLORY firs. YOU DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH HONOR firs YOU JUST PROVUSERAR. this is a small proof that you have no honest thoughts for the future.

      1. Vasilis,
        Give up on your propaganda man. Its falling like a domino ..
        One can not be two things at the same time.
        Choose one. Either you are Greek or Macedonian ?

        1. Go to Greek Macedonia… The one that claims to be greek isn’t… If you want Disneyworld go to Disneyworld usa. Have fun .

        2. I AM GREEK HELLENE EPIROTISA FROM BORIO EPIRUS OF NORTHERN GREECE KNOWN AS MACEDONIA REGION
          just as people from many islands are refered to as they are from Dodekanisia or Ionian islands … What is so difficult to comprehend?
          I think you just don’t want to…
          I also think trying to convince us and yourselves what you thought was true is better than admitting you were WRONG … I get it!!!

        3. od Cresevo,
          Unfortunately, Propaganda is all yours!

          Just be proud to be a Slav!
          And if you are still talking about propaganda, why don’t you try to read the ancient Macedonian scripts? If you were a Macedonian that would be very easy for you!
          Just mentioning that, because it is really easy if you are Helleen/Greek to do so!

      2. Greece is an empire which was formed in 1832 with your Bavarian King. First time a country was ever called Greece.

        Greece is just another Yugoslavia waiting to fall apart and then its states countries will gain independence again.

        1. Ethel Romans called Greece Greece or Greco. Original name Hellas. Alexander the Great united all the Hellenic states to become one nation Hellas

          1. Treaty of Bucharest… that is land taken that was supposed to be given back after 100 years…. on August 10 2013.

      3. You are talking to people that got internet just a short while ago and their propagandists gov has spoon fed them this info … They learned it from ours … When papa bush signed a paper the first week in office allowing them to use a name that was not theirs to use – his knowledge wad not challenged by anyone … Clearly he had none. Then baby gw bush said “to propagate a lie you need to repeat it over and over again” he would not admit either that his knowledge on the situation was in fact nil, as was his fathers… 24 years later we still have a dilemma… Change your name to whatever tf you want and get on with it… But no things come along with that name!!!!!!!

      4. Vardarska Republika, Democratic Republic of Serbia, Slavonic Democracy, Slavic Democracy of South Serbia: these are the names whether or not the Scopians like that best describe their origin. The name “Macedonia”, despite its Greek origin (the inhabitant of the ancient region of “Makedon”, in classical Greek was called “Makedonos”; the root “Mac” derives from the Greek word “makos”, the Doric type of Attic meaning “length”. In short, “Macedonian” means: “tall man.”) was stolen from the Real Macedonia in 1945. The former president of Skopje Gligorov said that Skopjans are Slavs, as is testified by their names.

        For the present state of Skopje, there have been some international scientists & newspapers who categorized it as a “technical construct/concept” like the Italian newspaper “Popolo” in 1992.

        In her article (“Macedonia” 12/9/1992) the Danish Professor named Tata Arcel, analyzes the Psychological Problem of the Scopians who demand to use the name of “Macedonia” for their “new state” and she describes it as an administrative creature twisting the story.

        The citizens of Skopje are Slavs & Slavs did not exist in Macedonia before the 6th-7th centuries AD; Slavs who lived in the geographical region of “Macedonia” before the Second World War were known as Bulgarians. That is IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2. Aren’t you Disneyworld… I could be wrong? Anything and everything Macedonia is GREEK… Like it or not… Prehaps we move in to our new land named for ys and we claim rights to the land airport cafe’s. And everything and anything you have named for us and in honor of my ancestors…. We thank you !!!

      1. Oh really the two Nations don’t even look similar in Greece are dark people ( како цигани) language nothing similar ,and everything belong to Greece ,like Solun( after they took from Macedonia) and re named it ,Like everywhere in the wold in Democratic county’s is known for other nationalst living in except in Greece where they are no other nationals ,lost lawsuit in the international court from Macedonia ,and still not enough ,Александар Македонски , really don’t even go there father Филип || king of Macedonia,and yes he did sleep with a Greeck woman ,( Aleksandar’s mother) and so what all that makes that everything is Greeck,u never probably even been there and studying the history so please stop!its mane Macedonia in USA why don’t u claim those too?

          1. You sound like Gus from my big fat greek wedding. How do you know 100% sure Alexander or Filip are greek names? Were you around in 2000bc? Because for all we know those names could originate from the roman or even egypt. Youre so naive and youre such a weird person for trying to dictate someone elses identity. How do you feel when people call you Turkish? Or even Albanian? Because at one point in time your preciously Greece was once rules by both parties. So if you want to call out Gypsys just look into your history. For all you know , your great grandmother was Turkish. Boarders change… so what once was… is just that… it WAS. So inform yourself before you open your ass again.

        1. Philippos: is of Greek origin and consists of 2 parts: the Greek verb “filo” meaning “”kiss” and the Greek word “ippos” meaning “horse”. In short it means the one who “loves horses”. The most famous in history was Philippos II, father of Alexander the Great.

          The name of Alexandros is also of Greek origin. “Alexandros” consists of 2 parts: the “Alex” (is a prefix), meaning “protector” & “Andras” meaning “man”. In short, “Alexander” means: “Men’s protector” in Greek, … in any other language … means absolutely nothing, because the word is of Greek origin, and NOT OF SLAVIC!!!!!!!!!

          1. USA Today!
            You are sound like a History Ignorant!!!

            It is the archaeological foundings, written scripts and monuments found that prove this! It is you that are so naive and ignorant instead. It is you who’s trying to be somebody else. Do not be ashamed of your slavic origins.
            No one calls Hellenes, Turkish or Albanians, while on the other hand both Turkish and Albanians are not ashamed of their origins as you did! You are Vardarian Slavs and you have to be proud!

            For all you know , your great grandmother was Slav and that is not to be ashamed of. So, it is better for you to inform yourself before you open your mouth again!

            Now if you still want to become Macedonians, be our guest, but you need to educate yourselves, change your culture and of course your language and start speaking Eλληνικά!
            That simple!

        2. Aleksandra,

          You are carrying a true Hellenic/Greek name, however you are talking in a Slavic dialect and using Cyrillic alphabet, while Macedonians were talking and writing in Hellenic or if you would rather prefer Greek language.

          Read some History, instead of exposing yourself!

        3. AΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ!

          That is a Hellenic name! Instead of being so ignorant and brainwashed though confused, you need to start reading History! I mean the real one. not the comic stories you are studying in your propagandistic educational system. Get out of your box! Open your eyes or better your mind and read the Official History!
          Check the ancient findings and please, just try to seperate in your mind,
          Archaeology from Biology! Both, are actually, two different fields, although they end in to the same conclusion, however genes are going back some thousand years before explaining genetically the different colours of skin, hair. etc. Ancient Hellenes/Greeks were not dark not blond as some or other are wrongly believing!
          That is another interesting subject of the different tribes, like (Πελασγοί), Pelasgoi or Pelasgians at the beginning, (Δωριείς), Doriois, Dorians (Αχαιοί), Acheei, Acheans, and (Ίωνες), Iones, Ionians. All ProtoHeellenic and Hellenic tribes going some thousand years back explaining by that way the differences in feature characteristics.
          And that is NOT Hellenic/Greek History but International.
          So combining biological findings with those of the Archaeology all of the researchers -NOT only Greeks – came to the conclusion of the so-called Hellenic History!
          So if you will try to make some serious research you might deconfuse your brain regarding biology, as much as history as well.
          Apparently, Macedonians were one of those Hellenistic tribes, and yes, unfortunately for you Macedonians are Hellenes/Greeks!
          Ending, you either have to be proud of being a Macedonian of Greek origins if so or a Macedonian of Slavic origins if you would rather prefer to take the DNA test. Although, I really doubt if test shows other than a large % of Greek origins!

      1. It was named by the Macedonian (yep you got it) Greeks who (yup) lived on that land for thousands of years and the true Macedonian are the Pontiac Greeks who srill live tpday and there are plenty of descendants to do DNA testing on and oh by way… I know plenty of them I live in a town that has the biggest polulation in the USA… Funny hpw that works!

  3. Macedonia is definitely a place I need to go back to. I didn’t have the most amazing experience last time, but that could have been for a number of reasons, so I’m willing to give it a second chance.

    1. Oh, shame you didn’t have a good experience there. I know how that feels. Well, I visited during the winter, which to be honest is not the best time to go, but I had a good time. Would love to visit back during the summer, which is supposed to be much better.

      1. Just for an info ; lot of thing are changed since than you shoul go visit again it’s amazing best to go is spring not to cold not to hot!

    2. Go to Greek Macedonia… The one that claims ti be greek isn’t… If you want Disneyworld go to Disneyworld usa. Have fun .

    3. One reason might be you booked a flight to MACEDONIA and you wound up in Disneyland Skopje VARDARSKA… The other reason might be everyone was speaking Bulgarian and Albanian with a plethora of Greek words thrown in to make it sound more authentic…

  4. Made me revisit my history books. I didn’t realise that Alexander the Great conquered Eqypt. Anyways, some cool facts about the country.

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      1. Never mind that he conquered Egypt. The Macedonian General Ptolemy took over the country at Alexander’s death, and it stayed in his family for over 300 years. Infact, Cleopatra, was Macedonian!!!

        1. GREEK ALEXANDROS
          GREEK CLEOPATRA
          GREEK CITY OF ALEXANDRIA
          ALEXANDROPOLIS
          where the FIRST LIBRARY EVEN BUILT and HOUSED ALL OF THE KNOWLEDGE THAT HAD BEEN GATHERED TO ONE PLACE…
          WHO DESTROYED IT…
          WHO TOOK THE HEADS OFF OF MOST GREEK STATUES…
          BETTER YET WHY…
          NOW YOU WANT OUR HISTORY OUR CULTURE OUR SOULS…
          OXI

          Disneyworld
          Disneyland
          Disneystateofmind yours!

      2. NORBERT are you stupid? You do know that alexander the great was not a slav nor albanian nor bulagarian he was GREEK!!!! and you are barbarians

        1. No none of them are stupid…
          They took our silence for stupid…
          Becausr we thought they can’t be that stupid to think they could possibly rewrite history before the eyes of the world and get away with it… While the world laughed they themselves believed the spoon fed propaganda of their corrupt politicians … Wanting to join NATO n EU to share in the pipeline that will never ever be allowed to happen…
          We will not allow greed to destroy Greece and it’s islands and the natural beauty it possesses…

    1. I’ve heard that Ohrid is beautiful. Unfortunately the day I planned to go there was pretty snowy, so I had to stay in Skopje instead. I hope to go to Ohrid in my next visit. 🙂

  5. Correction:

    8 – there are actually 133 countries recognizing Macedonias constitutional Name – Republic of Macedonia.

    1. There are over 200,000 MACEDONIAN GREEKS LIVING THERE so YES THE GREEKS WILL RULE REPUBLIC of “GREEK” MACEDONIA because it is…

      GREEK

    2. Yes, they recognized it as “Republic o f Macedonia” but they do not know history themselves. That is why.

      The historical name of Skopje from the years of Alexander the Great until its conquest by the Turks (in 1380), based on historical evidence, was VARDARSA.

      The former president of Skopje Gligorov said that Skopjans are Slavs, as is testified by their names. The famous ancient geographer Strabon wrote: “Macedonia is Greece.” In her article (“Macedonia” 12/9/1992) the Danish Professor named Tata Arcel, analyzes the psychological problem of the Scopians who demand to use the name of “Macedonia” for their “new state” and she describes it as “an administrative creature” twisting the story.

      What the Scopian Krste Misirkov wrote in 1903?
      “Some will ask why I speak of secession (separation) from the Bulgarians when we formerly called ourselves Bulgarians, and when it is generally accepted that the union is power-producing rather than separation. And, in any case, what kind of new Macedonian nation can this be when we, our fathers, our grandparents and our grandparents, have always been called Bulgarians?”

    3. Mazedonier

      It would be better for you to pronounce it correct.
      It is Macedonian/ Makedonian/ Μακεδόνας

      Mazedonier is rather slavic!

    1. You got facts wrong…
      Details in everything wrong would just all wrong…
      Waste of time. MACEDONIANS OF MACEDONIA ARE GREEK and now you built us an airpirt thank you but can you remove and or destroy all those copies of our thousands of year old statues because that is really stupid and silly. Don’t you think??? Rhetorical? Think?

      1. IT IS VERY much so POLITICAL
        Come to find out, you will be really be suprised…
        Learn something new everyday that is TRUE!!!
        Not fabrication!!!

    1. For you to also learn something today is the following:

      1. The late President of the Greek Republic, K. Karamanlis in 1992 said: “Macedonia is only One and is Greek.” The state of Skopje stole the name of Macedonia in 1945. Previously it was named Vardarska. How can a state change its name and nationality within a few days? The former president of Skopje Gligorov said that Skopjans are Slavs, as is testified by their names. The famous ancient geographer Strabon wrote: “Macedonia is Greece.”

      2. The citizens of Skopje are Slavs & Slavs did not exist in Macedonia before the 6th-7th centuries AD; Slavs who lived in the geographical region of “Macedonia” before the Second World War were known as Bulgarians.

      3. The idea of a Macedonian ethnicity came up in Skopje during the period of former Yugoslavia, when Marshal Josh Broz Tito ruled it. It was Tito who introduced through a declaration the idea that the so-called “Macedonians” live in the southern part of Yugoslavia. He did so for 3 reasons: 1) to cut them off from their Bulgarian relatives so that Bulgaria will not claim any Yugoslav territory; 2) in order to later claim the entire geographical region of Macedonia, as it was “inhabited by Macedonians”; 3) to find a way out in the Aegean Sea, since he was aiming to unify all of Macedonia & make it a province of Yugoslavia.

  6. Its wonderful post, its just such a shame that there will always be people (both, macedonian and greek) that would find this kind of posts and turn everything political. There is no prove who is originaly who and who cares, dont fight about the past! Enjoy the present and try to create future 🙂

    Im sorry but i dont have my own site, instead i just put a site that was chosen best macedonian promoter 🙂

    1. Thanks, Martina! I agree. The purpose of this post is not political, but to show people around the world the interesting facts of Macedonia. I visited this country not knowing much about it, so I want to share some of the wonderful things I saw and learned while there.

      Cheers to enjoying the present and creating a good future!

      1. Norbert hi,

        The but to show people around the world the . I visited this country not knowing much about it, so I want to share some of the wonderful things I saw and learned while there.

        Since the purpose of this post is not political, and you just wanted to spread around interesting facts of Macedonia, why didn’t you make an appropriate research before post all those things and speak about the Macedonia and Vardarska separate?
        Because when you are talking about Macedonia you are referring to Hellas, the country you visited is part of former Macedonia that is now called Vardarska.

        So you either need to restore the truth or your so-called informative post is just PROPAGANDA!

        By the way have you visited any archaeological sites and if yes were you able to see and read any scripts? In which language were there written?
        Rhetorical question!

    2. My dear Martina,

      It is noting about politics. It is history, it is REALITY!!!!!! “Macedonias” & “Greeks” is exactly the same thing. There is no doubt about it. Simple as that!

  7. This is nice. However, it’s not true that the name of Macedonia came from the ancient Greek adjective μακεδνός. The name came from the ancient macedonian language. However, this is really nice facts.

        1. Hey Марк,

          It is really good you are admitting, that the name came from the ancient macedonian language. Excuse me, but which language exactly is that?Could you please refer to some archaeological and historical foundings showing writing scripts? Because if you do that you will suddenly realize that is all Greek to you!

  8. Hi Norbert

    This is something interesting you would want to read up on. The so called Greeks of Today would never mention this. You can also see that the language we speak today is the ancient language. So did the slavs really come from the North to the South. Or did the Macedonian’s flee from Macedonia to the North from the Roman Empire. Something everyone is hiding in order to keep up the Greek Propaganda.

    http://www.unet.com.mk/ancient-macedonians-part2/spomenici-e.htm

    1. Hogwash. Tthe so-called “Macedonians” of today are mostly descendants of self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians. Their so-called “Macedonian” langauge is a Bulgarian dialect modified and renamed “Macedonian” by Yugoslav communists. It has no more to do with the Koine Greek found on ancient Macedonian artifacts than polish.

      Not a single accredited history on earth (other than one’s from the former Yugoslav republic) claim the founders of the Hellenistic period, and self-identifying Greeks, were actually Slavic.

      http://macedonia-evidence.org/obama-letter.html

    2. No one who is Greek is hiding anything. The Slavs came from the north the Greeks came from the south. Alexander’s ancestors are from the Pelloponese, read your history. His teacher was Aristotle. His uncle from Athens Heracles. Born in the ancient city of Pella where ancient artifacts have been found which are Hellenic, including Doric writing dating back 500bc years. Doric writing is an Ancient Greek language. I state 500bc, Alexander was born 350bc, do your maths, he spread Hellenic culture not Slavic culture, he probably did not know or care for Slavic culture. Cheers?

      1. Sorry misspelling, first King of Macedonia Greece Karanus, not Canacus . Karanus came from Argos, Pelloponese. To the person who replied to my comment, if you cannot express yourself in a civilized manner it means you are frustrated and really not sure of your identity and no I have never been called Turkish or Albanian., I am not even from Greece

    3. The current name of Skopje comes from the the word “Scupi” (originating from the Greek Shepherds), which was the name of a Roman settlement that was in close proximity.

      Many year later, Scupi was occupied by various peoples, and therefore its name has been translated several times in several languages. Thus, it became “Skopje” (Bulgarian: Скопие = Skopje) for the Bulgarians and later “Ouskub” (Ottoman Turkish) for the Turks. This name was adapted to Western languages as “Uskub” or “Uskup” and both were used in the Western world until 1912. Some western sources also refer to it as “Scopia” and “Skopia”.

      When Skopje became part of the Kingdom of Serbia in 1912, the city became officially “Skopje” and this name was adopted by almost all languages. The city was eventually named “Skopie” after the Second World War, when the Slavic language became the official language of the area. The Albanian minority calls the city “Shkup” and “Shkupi”, and the Roma call it “Skopiye”

    4. Hi Tony and Norbert!

      It is really funny! Thanks for sharing the article here! You just ridiculed yousreslves both! Tony for adding it and Norbert for accepting it,
      However, it was nice to read it just for laugh!!! On the other hand, if we would like to take it seriously, it proves what you are actually taught there.
      Ridiculous facts by ridiculous and ignorant people without any amount of true knowledge.
      Please, educate yourselves from official and reliable sources!
      Contemporary Hellenes/Greeks would not mention it not because it is not of their interest but because it is NOT a true FACT! It is just a propagandistic reading for ignorants. Same thing of what NAZI did!
      Greeks, opposite of Vardarians, do not afraid of hiding anything. It is just, some things that are only for fun and other that need further investigation.
      If one make a serious and responsible research, regarding this article, unfortunately s/he won’t find anything proving its so-called facts of what is mentioned there. Just because there isn’t any! The only findings of historical interest proving what ancient Macedonians were speaking are written – unfortunately – for both of you in …Greek! What a pitty.
      So, Yes! The language you are speaking today is of Slavic origins and nothing to do with Ancient Macedonians. And, Yes, you are of Slavic origins! Propaganda is, unfortunately, all yours! This article is NOT of any reliable source and you won’t find anything if you do try to make a further research and I mean not through Greek sources but in reliable international sources!

      And Norbert,
      As I noticed, you didn’t reply nor mentioned anything or thanked
      History buff regarding the link provided! Why?

  9. Macedon is Greek Kingdom. Greeks live there >3 Millenniums. Macedonians are Hellenic on this basis.

    FYRoM is not Macedon. FYRoM is Paeonia and then Dardania north from Skopje. The Latin-Romans adjuncted Paeonia and Dardania together in administrative (military) district they named Macedonia-Secunda Salutaris. So FYRoM is Second-Macedonia…or Beneficial Macedonia, according to Latin-Roman geographical rule.

    Important to note: The Latin-Romans distinguished between Macedonia-Prima, (which they kept exclusively Greek in honour of Alexander the Great) and Macedonia II Salutaris.

    History was never a strong point of Josip Broz Tito. He (resurrected) revived a Latin-Roman name for Serbian province Vardaska- Banovina and (ignorantly) confused it with Macedon, the ancient-Greek Kingdom.

  10. Unfortunately some that claim to stand for ethics and truth… prefer to evade over former Yugoslavians recent change into “ancient Macedonians” and irredentism.
    Because of those evasions as a Greek it has become very apparent to me that many of those that called the former Yugoslavians are far more interested in hiding that mistake than anything legitimately Macedonian.

    To visit the homeland of Alexander, one must visit Greece. The artifacts will never rewrite themselves from Greek into a Slavic language Yugoslav propagandists renamed “Macedonian” (that would have been completely incomprehensible to Alexander.) Ancient macedonians, founder of the Hellenism period, loved Hellenism. Modern former Yugoslavians on the other hand love their egos more than the Hellenic culture of ancient Macedonians which they oppose. In many respects they, and their supporters, are defacto anti-Macedonian. They just substitute a single; word… Bulgarian… with “Macedonian”.

    In the 1990s,Macedonians speak a language codified in 1946,spoken by less than two million people, and with a very slender literature. They are members of an Orthodox Church whose authority was established by a socialist political regime in 1968.They are heirs to a 1903 revolution that until the 1940s was described by almost all sources as being Bulgarian.

    – “The history of the Balkan Peninsula” Ferdinand Schevill page 432

    1. Neko,
      MACEDONIA, yes! However, if all Greeks die, you’ll die too!
      Because, if you are a Macedonian, then you are Greek!
      So, don not wish such a thing.
      Otherwise, you do not have to be afraid if you are a Vardarian of Slavic origins!

  11. Greeks have always lived in Macedon, the ancient Greek Kingdom. When Genes Language and Peoples exist in same place for millennia…it means something. Fact: Greeks live in Macedon for more than three Millenniums.

    Greeks were there during the creation of the original Kingdom – Fact.
    Greeks were there during the Roman conquests which culminated in latin-Roman rule – Fact.
    Greeks were there during Greco-Roman rule, in the Byzantine Theme – Fact.
    Greeks were there during the Slavic invasions, incursions and attacks – Fact.
    Greeks were there during Turkish domination of Haemus peninsula – Fact.
    Greeks were there during the Balkan Wars 1912-1913 – Fact.

    Lest we forget – Greeks fought the Ottoman Empire and won. Greeks regained the ancient region of Macedon from the Ottoman-Turk. And Greeks hold on to Macedon ever since. So it makes no sense for FYRoM, a recently established minor-Slavic country, to rewrite the demographic history of Macedon in ways that erase Hellenic identity from the ancient-Greek Kingdom.

    Superimposing FYRoM Identity on Macedon makes No sense. No credible person of worth in the West, from politics, diplomacy or academia, sees FYRoM like Macedon, or ex-Yugoslavians like Macedonians. It makes absolutely no sense for a modern Slavic country to covet the name of ancient-Greek Kingdom.

    Lest we forget – During the time of the Kingdom, Macedonians never met Slavs, never spoke Slavic, never lived in FYRoM. So it makes absolutely no sense to want to alter these now very established academic reference points.

    Lest we forget – Place-names and people-names are very important identity factors, more important to the people(s) who created them and originated them in the first place.

    The name ‘Macedon’ was created by Greek-speakers using archaic Hellenic language. Hence, Greeks do not need copyright to prove proof of ownership over the Macedonian name…the Byzantine Greco-Romans did that, proved beyond doubt, the Macedonian names Greek-Hellenic credentials. Theme- Macedonia tells all. Names go wherever the creator(s) originator(s) take them – proof is the Macedonian-Theme, a safe and secure military district the Greco-Romans moved and shifted to a completely different location in Thrace, proving the (rule) point, that names go wherever the creator(s) originator(s) take them.

    Nobody disputes the origin of names transplanted from the Old-World to the New-World. Place-names and People-names in the Americas can be traced back to their origin…back to where they were created.

  12. Greeks have been using the Macedonian name for (regional) self-Identity from since it’s creation. The Macedonian name has been in constant use in the Hellenic world from since it’s inception. Macedonians are self-determined Greeks for >3 Millennia. There has never been a day, week, month, year, decade, century, millennium, where the Greeks did not take that name with them wherever they went.

    Question: Are the Slavic-speaking peoples of FYRoM that anti-Hellenic, they want to contest the Macedonian names Greek-Hellenic credentials? Macedonians have always been a regional-historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock.

    Two different, ethnically-distinct people-groups, one of them Northern-Hellenic, the other one Southern-Slavic, cannot espouse blood-ties or kinship-bonds towards the same group of ancestors!

    1- According to Geography – Macedon, the ancient-Kingdom is in Northern-Greece.
    2- According to Archaeology – Macedonian material-culture is Hellenic.
    3- According to Linguistics – Macedonians spoke an archaic Hellenic-language.
    4- According to Philology – Historical textual interpretations go by Consensus.

    Geography cannot be relocated, Archaeology cannot be doctored, History cannot be altered, and the study of Philology…interpretation(s) of historical texts go by consensus. The Academic scholarly community support Greece over FYRoM in the latter’s attempt to usurp the Macedonian name for country-name, sovereign state-name, nationality, language and ethnicity!

    Two different, ethnically-distinct people-groups…one Northern-Hellenic, the other one Southern-Slavic, cannot use the same ethno-generic tribal name for self-Identity – one of them is being insincere and disingenuous in their claim.

    1. Thank you – YES – and we should all charge for the education of the masses – because we were not taught many things in school – this is one of them – i had to research everything my mother told me and Yes she was right on point…
      True stories do get passed down!
      Propaganda just gets repeated over and over until it becomes mainstream – over my dead body! will Macedonia is something other than GREEK! Be well.

      1. ma sev,

        It is really good you are admitting that propaganda just gets repeated over and over until it becomes mainstream! It is a first step for you to realize that you are NOT a Macedonian. You maybe of slavic origins and that is not a shame.

        You have to be proud of your own history, your own culture, your own language!

        Don’t try to be somebody else, because you are betraying your origins but mostly your history.
        On the other hand if you really want to be Macedonian as you claim, you can always give it a try, however you need to change your culture and of course your language. But please do not try to make any propaganda again about Macedonian language, because what ancient Macedonians were speaking was just Greek. And if you don’t believe what I am telling you there is always historical facts to prove it.
        Just try to read, the ancient Macedonian scripts, it would be really easy to do so if you know how to read and speak GREEK!

        Just remember, you have to be proud of being a Slav!

  13. Macedonians didnt invent anything. Those are facts about the territory not the nation they are a ‘nation’ since 1940 something when they were taken away from Bulgaria. Soz macedonians but its the truth. You guys are bulgarians and you are wspeaking a bulgarian dialect. And Cyril and Methodius were byzanthene brothers. Cyril developed the glagolic alphabet and then the cyrillic alphabet was developed in preslav in the first bulgarian empire!!!

  14. Alexander the Great

    Propaganda of Slavs! Look at you, hear your language.
    You are Slavs of origin. Don’t be asame to admit it!
    Try to read some history! But history not propaganda.
    You by yourselves are talking about Macedonia. Correctly, indeed you noticed the word is from the ancient Greek Μακεδνων!
    Exactly! And that is because ancient Macedonians were one of the Greek tribes, speaking Greek not a Slavic language. They were Greeks!
    Now, if you want to be Macedonians you have to learn more than one Greek word to say. So instead of calling yourselves with the only Greek word you know that of Macedonians, try to learn some Greek in otder to become true Mακεδονες.

    Because it is you that have to decide what you want to be.Makedonians or Slavs. If you decide to be Macedonians you have to be Greeks as ancient Macedonians were. Otherwise you can always call yourselves Slavs. So simple!

  15. It is true!
    Ancient Macedonians were of Greek origins, speaking the Greek language, having the same cultural and religious believes as the rest of the Greeks.
    Back then there weren’t any Slavic tribe and had nothing in common with today’s so called Slavo-Macedonians!
    Of course there is always the alternative for FYROM to become part of Greece if they want so much to become true Macedonians.
    But they have to learn speaking Greek first. The official language of ancient Macedonians.
    It is up to the people left of previous Yougoslavic republic to either continue as Slavs with Slavic origins and culture or they will decide to change their Slavic culture by accepting to be Macedonians. That means accepting to become Greeks as Alexander the Great and all ancient Macedonians were!
    Welcome to the one and only Greek Μακεδονια!

  16. …and Martina!
    Try to read some history first. It is not a political disagreement.
    Yesterday’s past is the future of tommorow!
    If somebody wants to be informative, has to do it by using correct information tips!

  17. Oaow! Tony! What great historical facts you are deposit indeed!
    Amazed!
    Hey, come on guy try to educate yourself first.
    You don’t expect anyone to take you seriously with such Slavic PROPAGANDA you are trying to promote. You cannot even persuade your own self. Be serious and read some history!
    You are exposed by such ridiculous “facts” .
    Tony the Propagandist Slav!

  18. All off you Greeks are propaganda victims of your own regime. I do fell sorry for you, couse you are not able to see more to understand. More than 150 years ago Macedonian identity arouse from the bloody Muslim Tirans, triggered by sàfocation from their neighbors. It’s still alive.
    We started this competition in ancient times, Macedonians vs Greeks. All of the ancient books make clear distinction between us.
    Beginning of 1900 you took 51% of Macedonian territory along with the Serbs and silly Bugars.
    We don’t want anything back. Keep it.
    Even if third world war happens , which mist likely will be again on Macedonian bloody lands, we will still continue to exist.
    You can’t be two things at the same time. Cant be water and fire, day and night, sun and Moon, black and white , Greek and Macedonian.

    1. You are the victims my dear and when your bubble burst and the pipeline doesn’t happen and your name is recalled then what will you be saying – OOOOPS!!!

    2. yes We can be black and white – in fact we are…
      …are you a racist?
      I am Greek and Macedonian – so are many people…

      You said ; “You can’t be two things at the same time. Cant be water and fire, day and night, sun and Moon, black and white , Greek and Macedonian.”

      1. Γεια σου Αλεξανδρα!

        Hi, Alexandra, you sound like proud to be Macedonian, therefore Greek!
        Since you are so proud of your origins, down below you will have the chance and pleasure to read some ancient Macedonian from important findings of early cemetery of the Pella market:
        ΞΑΝΘΟΣ/ΔΗΜΗΤΡΙΟ/Υ ΚΑΙ ΑΜΑ/ΔΙΚΑΣ ΥΙΟΣ

        For further research and investigation, I urge you to also check about the findings of PELLA CURSE TABLET.
        This can also be found in Wikipedia.

        And as Isokrates said, back in 4th century B.C. :
        Ομολογείται μεν γαρ την Μακεδονίαν πόλιν αρχαιοτάτην είναι και ελληνικοτάτην και μεγίστην και πάσιν ανθρώποις ονομαστοτάτην

        I am sure that since you claim to be a true Macedonian will be really easy for you to read it as well!

        For the rest that this is needed to be translated, is saying:
        It is commonly accepted that Macedonia is an ancient hellenic city and the most famous among all people.
        Isokrates, 5th – 4th cent. B.C.

    3. Greeks are not two things. They are Greek and Macedonia is a province of Greece. As I keep stating Macedonia is a Greek word meaning tall long makro, the word has nothing to do with the Slavs

    4. First educate yourself, then speak!

      It didn’t take place any war or competition between Macedonians and Greeks.
      Greek tribes were fighting each other, Athens vs Sparta, Sparta vs Corinth, Athens vs Macedonia, or Sparta against a coalition of four allied states, Thebes, Athens, Corinth, and Argos. back then, the so-called Athens alliance defeated by Macedonians so Philippos finally unified all Hellenic tribes, city states, under a common name with common values, beliefs and of course common enemy, Persia!

      Filippos, Alexander’s father was the first who unified all Hellenic/Greek tribes under the term Hellenes or Greeks as you would rather prefer to call them.
      After this unification Hellenes became one nation with one ethnic identity, unified by the same language, manners and customs. And if you will try to read any ancient Macedonian monument you will find difficulties on understanding it because it is simple written in Greek!
      Just read some history.

  19. Im reading and reading the same story over and over again,not even in one place is mentioned the genocide committed by the greeks towards the macedonian people,not even once mentioned the first time use of napalm bombs on the macedonian villages and come on defenders of the macedonia is greek just try to explain why all the names of the cities were changed post 1950 from macedonian to greek?why were the people speaking macedonian language in greece prosecuted and in some cases disappeared? Why were families made to send their children away in order to keep them alive?I get that opening any of these questions will brimg great shame to some eu members of today but every single killing of Macedonians is well documented but also well hidden by the civilised world cause if it comes out itl show that those countries werent all that civilised after all……

  20. ”MACEDONIA” IS NOT NORMAL STATE 40% ALBANIAN…20% TURKS…..10% GYPSIS…30% BULGARIANSLAVS…..WHERE ARE THE MACEDONIANS???? BASTARD COUNTRY

    1. 200,000 are GREEK Macedonians… They wwere forced to change their names as tthey did in Albania and in Turkey but now they are fighting back this propaganda and changing their names back to GREEK…

  21. Hey VLora,
    You are so wrong. Macedonia is 16% Albanian (), 3 % others, and 80% Macedonians, with the the same DNA of Macedonians that were there century’s before.

    Nothing to do with you, BTW, Greek.

    1. Mario. Wrong ! Re-count and you will find that figures are not as you say. They are much more Albanian in Macedonia than 16%. Do not lie your self. How much Albanian people you “gave right to have Yugoslavia passport ” within a week and let them go/exported them in Turkey in 1953? What means Skoplje in Macedonian or in Greek Language ? In Albanian language is pronounced SHKUP (Shkop) – Stick . I do not want to go further because is not place here for such discussions.

  22. You are not interested to listen. We are Macedonians only, not Macedonian greeks. There is no such people. Your Greek propaganda invent them. But, I don’t expect you to understand because you can’t. Your nation is brain washed and manipulated as a puppet. You’re broke anyway.

    1. You mean you are mostly ethnic BULGARIANS you liar. There is no such thing as an “ethnic” Macedonian. An ethnic group and nation built on hatred of anything actually Macedonian… Greek.

      You Skopians, and the patronizing Greek hating ethnic engineering asshats that ridiculously called you “Macedonians” lost the argument the moment you fascists start claiming to be ancient Macedonians.

      ‘We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian”
      – Gyordan Veselinov FYROM Ambassador to Canada, Ottawa Citizen Newspaper, February 24 1999

       “We are Macedonians but we  are Slav Macedonians. That’s who we are! We have no connection to  Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia.”
      – first President of Skopje Kiro Gligorov. Toronto Star on March 15, 1992

    2. Speaking about brainwashed… you forgot to mention the “minor” detail that most of former Yugoslavians are descendants of self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians.

      ….

      “The history of the construction of a Macedonian national identity does not begin with Alexander the Great in the fourth century B.C. or with Saints Cyril and Methodius in the ninth century A.D. as Macedonian nationalist historians often claim”

      “Krste Misirkov, who had clearly developed a strong sense of his own personal national identity as a Macedonian and who outspokenly and unambiguously called for Macedonian linguistic and national separatism, acknowledged that a Macedonian national identity was a relatively recent historical development.”

      “The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov’s call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians.”

      – US Anthropologist Loring Danforth, “The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World”, Princeton Univ Press, December 1995

      1. Multicultural

        Haha All the Pro Greeks on this page.. your stories have changed multiple times. Best to go back to what u were doing best.. asking germany for financial help. Poor Macedonians, you dont need to justify anything to Morons who obviously have no idea what they are writing about.

        This post is awesome. Please write again the next time you go to macedonia for a holiday! Id love to know more!

        1. Multicultural?

          That means you are a Slav from Serbia, Croatia or Albanian, or Bulgarian or Turkish or Greek or what? Or from all of those ethnic groups?
          Better to read some true History instead of trying to inform yourself from unreliable, propagandistic sources. Except if propaganda and fake news makes you feel better!

      2. You hit them facts, proof, docs n history and guess what…?
        A political agenda is just that and Bush taught them well when you repeat repeatedly repeated propaganda some will believe some will accept n some will be like him endorse it….
        Macedonian were are will be forever Greek!

  23. 15. What many offensively now claim as “Macedonians”… used to freely self-identified as ethnic Bulgarians prior to Yugoslav communists.

    No doubt with enough bizarre recognition of Slavs as “Macedonians” and unethical evasions over their recent quick change into founders of the Hellensitic period …all the Greek writing on ancient Macedonian artifacts, all attested to their self-determination as Greeks… will rewrite themselves from Greek into the Bulgarian dialect Yugoslav communists modified and renamed ‘Macedonian”.

  24. Simply Christan

    Born and raised Macedonian with light skin and dark hair. I don’t look Greek nor does my DNA have any Greek in it. Macedonians are who they are and we will not change. The region where our country is belonged to the original Makedoia( Aleksanar the Great) and still does, we are just missing the southern peace that is under Greece now!
    My aunt married a Macedonian from Greece that had to move out due to the fact that the Greek government pressured the Macedonians to change their names or they would loose everything they had and the men would be in jail. History and facts as many as you want. But we are all Christan ( orthodox) the oldest Jesus Christ fallowers and we spend our time arguing about soil and name when we should be together to spread the passion of faith that Jesus had( sad vary sad)
    Move on with your lives people it is 2016 haven’t you noticed that politicians run the world and change history and not the innocent people …….

    1. You are a fool, religion is a lie a fairy tale. Alexander the Great was Greek. Never has there been a country called Macedonia never. Learn your history. Alexander the Great, born Pella, Hellenic, ancient ruins in Pella 500bc curse of the tablet written in Doric Greek, 150 years before Alexander the Great. The only thing that religion has done is created wars amongst people and if you want to bring religion into it, Alexander the Great worshiped the Greek gods, he prayed to them before he left to go to war. You go on about the Greeks causing atrocities, there is no nation on earth that has not caused atrocities and as For Alexander the Great he was one of those that caused havoc but the truth is he was Hellenic never never a Slav. You Slavs as you call yourselves FYRoM have your own issues with the growing number of Albanian Muslim in your country and the way you treat them also to the refugee crisis from the Middle East you have not come with open arms, remember the Middle East is where Alexander the Great went, lived and died. Also if you are one of those Macedonians that live near the border of Greece and FYRoM your language never existed until 1300ad AD well after Alexander the Great. It is a mixture of Bulgarian, Slavic and a bit of Albanian you have no right in calling your Slav language Macedonian when that word is 100percent Greek. You also despise the Bulgarians. Why is it that Bulgaria and Albania don’t go on and on about being Macedonian, maybe they have more pride about being there own nation than what you Yugoslavs do.

      1. Sorry to say.Greeks have been only a small part of Alexander’s army and he gave positioned not in important roles, because Alexander never trusted them.It is know that before battles Alexander had spoken to his faithful soldiers/friends in a language that was not Greek. It comes from centuries “Crying of Great Alexander”, when he killed Kliti, his closest friend. Kliti’s mother had feed Alexander too. Such mortal ceremony still is applied today in some part of other parts of Ballkan, but definitely not in Greece.

        1. Sorry to say, but the so called “truth” either doesn’t speak or doesn’t know the actual TRUTH!
          Hellenes or Greeks as you are calling them were just one army!!!
          You seem to be a little confused about what Hellenes/Greeks were.
          Macedonians were on of the Hellenic tribes sharing common Language, manners & customs.
          Just read some History first, and then speak the Truth!

    2. Simply Christian,

      Just educate yourself first! You are exposing your ignorance.
      What you are mentioning, prove how uneducated you are!
      Try to read some history from any official and reliable source before you exposed again!

  25. The Historian

    Nice!
    Brainwashed, delusional, papets, etc. etc.
    I have been surprised from your arguments indeed!

    Only, you are missing the most important fact of all.
    HISTORY. Every – and I mean every – ancient, roman, byzantine and contemporary historian speak about Hellenic origins of Macedonia. You know or at least have to know that back then there weren’t any Slavs or Slavic language at all.
    Filippos and Alexander spoken Greek.

    So simple!

  26. Nick the Greek

    Macedon was Greek Kingdom. Macedonians are Hellenic on this basis. Hence, Macedonians are the Greeks who to this day, practice their self determination right in the tradition of their Paleo-Haemus Hellenic ancestors. FYRoM cannot use the name of ancient-Greek Kingdom for country-Name…sovereign sate-name, nationality, language and ethnicity on same basis.

    Western Civilization supports one (historical) Macedonia story. History cannot support two different versions of the Macedonia story…one pseudo and (Yugo) Slavic, the other one Hellenic and mainstream.

    The West reject outright, FYRoM besmirchment of Western worlds cultural-historical narrative. Why? Because in that narrative, Macedon was Greek Kingdom, and Macedonians, a regional historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock.

    Lest we forget – Alexander the Great never met Slavs, never spoke Slavic, never lived in FYRoM.

    No credible person of worth in the West, from Politics Diplomacy or Academia, puts FYRoM self-determination right above the rights of Macedonians wanting to keep the Macedonian name in the Greek domain. Macedonian identity belongs to Greek heritage. Macedonians have UN recognized rights, autochthonous right, to keep, to cherish, and to preserve their Hellenic cultural historical heritage.

    1. Multicultural

      Nick the Greek. You seem a little confused?
      Alexander the great was born to Macedonian Father and to basically keep it short a Albanian mother (Epirus). There have been many (Greek) Sources claiming that macedonians are barbaric and Not Greek with there Barbaric Tongue and so forth. The fact you use the term Hellenic means your also uneducated. This term can only be found in modern history books after 1945.

      Your own history books advise that the greek tribes hated each other.. Athenian and Spartans are an awesome example. Between Ancient Greece and Greece today where is all your other history? Forget about when the turks were ruling you, i mean all the other gaps in history.

      Maybe we should call you Former Turkish Republic of Greece? Since Greece was under the Turkish Empire for 500 years. I dont see how its fair to call the macedonians FYROM when Yugoslavia was only togather between 1913-1990s.

      Slavic? Well you said youself Alexander the great conquer of the world.. i wonder why the “Slavic” dialect spread all the way up until Russia and not the Greek?
      And no bullshit about it sounding the same. No one can understand ur silly language.

      Peace out peeps**

      1. Lol, i like u multi…dont be shy, i’m not greek…haha
        Sound like someone i could talk with.
        Your obviously not an ingrate ✌

      2. Multicultural,

        Just to inform you that back then, the term of Hellenes/Greeks didn’t exist. That’s why you have heard of Athenians, Spartans, Macedonians, Corinthians, etc. It was Philip, Alexandros’ father who unified all Hellenes/Greeks under a common name and called himself and Macedonians also as Hellenes!
        As for the Former Turkish Republic of Greece try not to ridicule yourself by mentioning such things. I am wondering if you have ever heard about mass kidnapping of children that Turks were processing all over Balkan Countries and not only, in order to make their army. If you have just a small piece of brain working and unwashed you will easily understand my point.
        Educate yourself, then you may speak!

  27. Nick the Greek

    Names, Identity, History, Heritage, Legacy – These things matter to Europeans.

    For Greeks, the Macedonian name, identity, history, heritage is worth keeping, worth preserving, worth protecting. Why? Because…

    1- The Macedonian Name was created by Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples.
    2- The History of Macedon is important major part of Greek history overall.
    3- Heritage endowment(s) received. Patrimony. Birthright. Inheritance.
    4- Macedonians look back at themselves in awe of their Hellenic legacy.

    Names, Identity, History, Heritage, Legacy – These things belong to the people-groups that created them. They cannot be acquired. Macedonians are the Greeks who to this day, practice their self-determination right(s) in the tradition of their ancient Haemus Hellenic ancestor’s.

    Show Respect!

  28. Greece is forgetting that there is a region of Bulgaria (today) that is also called Macedonia. So why doesn’t Greece ask Bulgaria to stop using the name Macedonia? They are just so stuck on FYROM.

    Also, why doesn’t Greece claim the region of FYROM as theirs rather than saying that FYROM is Vardarska? FYROM and the other regions of Macedonia were divided under the Treaty of Bucharest….so I don’t understand why Greece doesn’t say that Skopje is theirs too and give everyone living in FYROM Greek passport – because all of them are Greek?

    Also they will inherit the increase of Albanian population that comes with the territory. Greece of course believes that there are No minorities living in Greece, only Greeks… (so no Turks, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Albanians). I guess that is why they don’t want to inherit FYROM as their own.

    It is just contradictory. On one hand, it Greece states that Macedonia is Greek. The Macedonian region extends beyond the borders of Greece. So why then doesn’t Greece ask for FYROM and Bulgarian region to be there’s, if Macedonia is Greek.
    Greece is only concerned about FYROM using the name Macedonia? If you are arguing that Macedonia is Greek, then take over FYROM and region of Bulgaria I say!!
    Go for it!

  29. Also, if Macedonians were really Greek, why would they be fighting for independence? Why not just come under the Greek banner?

    If Macedonians were Serbs, why didn’t they just fall under Serbia after the war?
    If Macedonians were Bulgarians why didn’t they just fall under Bulgaria?
    Why? Because Macedonia is and has always been made of a mix of people. In French Macedoine means mixed salad.

    Its neither Bulgarian, Greek, or other. Macedonia is a region – a cross road.

    Having a small landlocked country with 2 million people with most of which are now Muslims has never been and will not be a threat to Giant Greece, lets face it.

    Just like Kosovo is going to do with Albania. The people of Kosovo for example, say that they are Albanian and have been all along. Their next step is to unite Albania with Kosovo – rightly so – the same people live in two different countries.

  30. FYRoM cannot exist like Republic of Macedonia. Why? Because the rights of FYRoM do not supersede the rights of Macedonians wanting to keep as Greek as possible, the identity-characteristics of their Paleo-Haemus Hellenic ancestors.

    FYRoM South-Slavs (Yugoslavs) cannot be Macedonian in ethnic-sense…or cultural-linguistic sense.

    Macedonia(n)- The Name, Identity, History, Heritage, Legacy…It’s all Greek.

    FYRoM has no choice but to compromise – to distinguish itself from the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

    Contemporary Greeks look back at themselves standing at forefront of long chain of Greek-speakers. Today’s Greeks see themselves like cultural-linguistic continuator’s of endowments passed-on to them from previous generations of Greeks, stretching all the way back to Mycaenean Proto-Greeks.

    The Greek language and Hellenic culture define Greeks…Old-Europe’s elder senior wiser population dynamic that boasts native autochthony to Haemus (Greek) peninsula.

    From Crete in the south to Macedonia in the north. From Anatolia in the east to Sicily in the west. That space in between is Greek cultural-linguistic space – Greeks look back at themselves and awe at their Hellenic inheritance.

    With historical baggage like this – Greeks promise to defend, protect and pass-on their inheritance to next generation(s) of Greeks – Come Hell or High Water!

  31. Fact – Alexander the Great never met Slavs, never spoke Slavic, never lived in FYRoM.

    Lest we forget – Macedon was Greek Kingdom, Greeks live there >3 millennia. There is no better example on which to stake your origin and identity. Macedonians have always been Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples…regional-historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock.

    FYRoM [Yugo] Slavs insult western civilization with their anti-Hellenic, anti-Western theories, ideas and conjectures. The Western worlds cultural historical narrative cannot be held hostage to pseudo-historical fairy tale fantasies that liken FYRoM to Macedon and ex-Yugoslavians to Macedonians.

    Lest we forget – FYRoM produced more than 1001 Theories Ideas and Conjectures which attempt ‘crudely’ to make the ancient-Greek Kingdom of Macedon Slavic. And when they came up against academic resistance, they stated they were not real Slavs but Slavicized indigenous peoples, natives that mixed with the Slavic tribes, not realizing that this theory, makes them Slavicized Paeonians.

    Lest we forget – Paeonians were Hellenized by ancient-Greeks from Macedon. Romanized by latin-speaking Romans. Greco-Romanized by Greek-speaking Byzantines. Slavicized by Draguvites Berzekes and Sagudates…and lastly, Turkified by Ottoman Musulmen.

    Note: FYRoM’s Slavic identity prevailed, shone through 500 years of Ottoman subjugation. It came out the other side Slavic. Hence, FYRoM is Slavic now, according to the rules governing people dynamics.

    The western worlds cultural historical narrative is based on Macedon being a Greek Kingdom…the rest is mainstream western history!

    1. Macedon ruled by macedonian kings nikos whilst the greeks thought states was the way to go.

      Exuse my ignorance…i dont no much
      If only we could ask the spartans and athenians of the time what they thought

      May your gods be with you ?

      1. Egetz,

        Since you don’t know much, or better since you don’t know anything as your sayings prove, it is better for you NOT to say anything before you read!
        READ first, EDUCATE yourself and then SPEAK!
        But with FACTS not with Ignorance as you are admitting!

    1. Greek Macedonians were/are/continue to be…
      you can read it everywhere you look – oh wait “you can not Greek” possibly why your Tito nation – politically motivated agenda shows it’s ugly face again and again… But have you stopped to consider “why” you can not use/have/claim the name “Macedonia” one because it has nothing to do with FYROV “Vardarska” never did, does not, never will – moveon be original – be Bulgarian or be Albanian but you can never be Greek/Hellene/Macedonian – plus the language which you are using as Macedonian is BULGARIAN!!!
      We nap in the afternoons we don’t sleep!

    2. Hey John!

      That was a great article indeed!Thank you for post it here!

      Only, despite the propaganda that guy is trying to make, forgetting of course to mention all of his details, otherwise I would challenge him as well, he is contradicting his own self!
      The only thing he does by presenting parts of some historical facts, is to actually strengthen the position of the Hellenic/Greek origins of Macedonia!
      Great job! Well done to him and to you as well!
      You gave sufficient material for further investigation only to prove the actual TRUTH! That Macedonia is Greek!

      Keep up the good work!

  32. Set the truth free

    Lets not forget, the ancient greeks were slaves to the ancient macedonians for hundreds of years. Maybe this is why greeks hate the macedonians so much. How can a slave claim an empire who enslaved them. Alexander wiped his ass with greeks and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of them. He fought for a macedonian agenda. Every time the ancient macedonians went to war they faced their enemies who were helped by a united greek army against the macedonians. The truth is ancient macedonia had its own origin, language, culture, art, kingdom, empire that was far superior to that of the greeks. Alexanders mother tongue was macedonian, he also learnt how to speak greek as it was a common language in the surrounding region. The kings of rome also knew how to speak greek, it doesnt make them greek. Alexander also spoke many other languages of the countries he conquered. All the history books and evidence point to an ancient macedonia far too powerful to bow down to no greek and by the way ancient greece never invaded ancient macedonia. I am a macedonian and i carry the blood of an ancient macedonian with me so i believe i have the blood write to call myself a macedonian as the words i speak were used by the qncients macedonians who never understood the greek language as i dont today. I also have slav dna too but so do greeks. Slavs have settled inside greece and many other countries too. It is an absalute obsurdity for a greek to claim a history that ruled over and put an end to their history. Not only is it unfair to keep ancient macedonian history away from the macedonians but to hide the history of an ancient civilization away from the world to study and admire is criminal. Macedonia was no more greek that the Romans or Carthage or Thrace were greek. They were all independant of one another, thats what the true independant historians point to.

    1. The truth will set you free indeed

      Lets not forget…

      – ancient Macedonians self-identified as Greeks.
      – ancient Macedonians were founders of the HELLENISTIC period.
      – ancient Macedonians spoke GREEK
      – ancient Macedonians competed at Greek only Olympic games.
      – ancient Macedonia, the homeland of Alexander, is in Greece not ancient Paeonia.

      Lets also not forget that the slavs currently living in Skopje…

      – the majority are descendents of ethnic Bulgarians
      – Their “macedonian” identity was primarily the Yugoslav communists.
      – their so called “Macedonian” language.. used to be called Bulgarian.
      – they have nothing to do with with ancient Macedonians

    2. You are uneducated, not well read and ignorant.. Macedonia, Greek word not Slavic Alexander the Great his language Ancient Macedonian related to Doric Greek which the Spartans also spoke and other tribes of Hellas. Alexander did not not speak Slavic never heard of it never existed in his time. Birth place to Alexander the Grear Pella, another Greek word, Hellenic ruins found in Pella 500bc, 150years before Alexander the Great was born, not only ruins but on a tablet Doric writing. He worshiped and prayed to the Greek gods before he set off to war, he spread to Eupoe and the Middle East Hellenic culture, the afghans and the Iranians(Persians) still talk about him today and say he was Greek and the Romans refer to him as Greek

    3. Alexander the Great was educated by Aristotle, he had great respect and admiration for him, as for killing Greeks all Greeks fought amongst themselves, you have put your foot in your mouth, Greece consisted of divided states, they all fought amongst themselves in those years. Read your history 750bc Alexander’s ancestry came from the Pellopones. Do you know who the first King of Macedonia was, Canacus who left Pelloponese and headed towards northern Greece where Pella was and is now. Read your history

    4. When they say Alexander the Great spoke Ancient Macedonian they are referring to Doric Greek you fool. My goodness what sort of education do you have in your country. Doric Greek was spoken in Sparta and other ancient tribes of Greece. Alexander would not Have understood any of your Slavic language which originated from the Bulgarian language. Bulgarians understand Yugoslavs and Yugoslavs understand Bulgarians.

  33. The Scopjian Slavs are thieves and imposters who are trying to falsify their identiry and steal Greek Macedonian History and Culture. For instance, the article says above: “Cyrillic alphabet, official in Macedonia, is based on the alphabet developed in the 9th century by two Macedonian (Region) brothers – St Cyril (thus – Cyrillic) and St Methodius. It was taught by their disciples at a monastery in Ohrid, from whence it spread across the eastern Slavic world.” This is not true and is just part of the despicable propaganda created by the delusional Slavic governemtn of Scopje. Correction: St Cyril (thus – Cyrillic) and St Methodius were Greek Orthodox monks who created the Slavic alphabet so that your primitive Slavic tribe can have a language…

  34. FYROM will fall apart, it’s a matter of time when. The population living there are half Albanians, half Slavic people and a few minorities like Greeks and Serbs who have no historical connection to ancient Macedonians except the Greeks. There language is basically Bulgarian and most of the Slavic speaking people have Bulgarian passport too.
    It is very obvious it’s a technical stade the population has no common history language and culture what brings a lot of problems.

    Sins the existence of FYROM it has been systematically propagate their connection to Ancient Macedonians without any success alone the fact that Slavic and Albanians came to the region hundreds of years after the Macedonian empire is enough to understand that there are no Macedonians what is the main reason this technical stade will fall apart and i hope all this will happen peacefully but it does not look like this because the Albanians want to join Albania.

    It’s a matter of time when all this technical stades will escalate FYROM, Kosovo and Bosnia Herzegovina.

  35. Why all of you talk abaut Macedonian historiy and all of you talk a difrent history.I’m from Macedonia and the true what are we in the U.S are FIROM no Macedonia is becouse Greece dont accept our name Macedonia.Becouse they think Macedonia is Greece and if they accept Macedonia for our name
    Then never Macedonia be Greece

    1. Velimir,

      Read some History instead!

      Your own name shows you are of slavic origins and that is not a shame.
      You have to be proud of your own history, your own culture, your own language!

      Don’t try to be somebody else, because you are betraying your origins, your history, but mostly your own identity.
      On the other hand if you really want to be a Macedonian as you claim, you can always give it a try, however you need to change your culture and of course your language. But please do not try to make any propaganda again about F.Y.R.O.M and Macedonian language, because what ancient Macedonians were speaking was just Greek. And if you don’t believe what I am telling you there is always historical facts to prove it.
      Just try to read, the ancient Macedonian scripts, it would be really easy to do so if you know how to read and speak GREEK!

      Just remember, you have to be proud of being a Slav…

  36. Mark K. Shkreli

    #5 – In addition to Macedonia not shedding blood, it was also Montenegro
    #12 Ancient Macedonians were Illyrians (Ancestors of today’s Albanians) not Greeks, and Alexander the Great was also Illyrian.

    1. Unfortunately, they actually DO speak the same language and that is GREEK!
      Read some History! read the ancient Macedonian scripts.
      If you would be able to do so, of course, because all are written in Greek…

    1. It is indeed!

      If you were capable of paying real attention to it and understanding of what is talking about!

      I am just adding a small part of it and if you are able enough to understand of what is mentioning then you will realize how interesting it really is and the perception that ancient Hellenes/Greeks have about Africans.
      Again, if you are not still able to understand it, what can I say, I am really sorry…

      Ethiopians were considered exotic to the ancient Greeks and their features contrasted markedly with the Greeks’ own well-established perception of themselves. The black glaze central to Athenian vase painting was ideally suited for representing black skin, a consistent feature used to describe Ethiopians in ancient Greek literature as well. Ethiopians were featured in the tragic plays of Aeschylus, Sophokles, and Euripides; and preserved comic masks, as well as a number of vase paintings from this period, indicate that Ethiopians were also often cast in Greek comedies.

  37. People come down.Judge by your brain not by your nationalism.Especially Greek guys.Everything is Greek.OK ? Are you happy? Why you are not going in discussion for origin of Greek State/Kingdom with UK or Germany?Because they would say you shortly.Shut up. Don’t tell us bullshit.We created Greece in 1821.We decided your borders. Open old Othoman archives and verify names of villages,towns and names of their peoples during Othoman Empire.Has any one to say that actual Greeks can understand fluently the old Greek books/language (Homerian Greek)? Old Greek language has so many different words from what are used today.Why so big changes?Greek language/alphabet has served for centuries as what is used English language today. Because someone speaks English somewhere in the world this would not give him English origin or nationality.Something written in English somewhere would not make it English as you try to annex as Greek origin everything written with Greek letters . Because Greek language is used for centuries we read for many therms today an usual explanation : “These word comes/derives from Greek language”. Macedons – tall ? People of this area never have been distinguished as tall as described. If you search in Internet maybe you will find another meaning for Macedons. Also spelling of this word seams strange in Greek Language. Have you heard for EMATHIA?Old name of Macedonia area and around ? Also this word has Greek origin? Pella, Aleksander or Bukefal are names that someone else speaks/pronounce also today in everyday language and fully coincide with legends/history of how this name are taken/created What’s this eager appetite to make everything Greek? What you are afraid off ? For what reason actual Greek Encyclopedia has changed so much from previous edition? It is so difficulty to read newspapers/documents dated before 1900?

    1. You …truth, still don’t speak the Truth!
      I noticed that you are a little of confused. Probably because of the brainwash you enforced to have.

      Hellas or either Greece was not created in 1821. Contemporary Hellas rebuilded back then after deliberation from Turks. And of course you didn’t created nor decided about contemporary borders. Read some History!

      Unfortunately contemporary Greeks CAN read and speak ancient Greek, while a great amount of the ancient Hellenic/Greek vocabulary is still in use today. so if Greeks asked to read the ancient Macedonian scripts would easily do so!
      Would you be able to do it? I doubt.

      And History didn’t start with Ottoman empire.
      First, educate yourself, then speak!

  38. Go ahead and spend the rest of your lives in trying to prove what’s what and who is who, all the people in the Balkans once ruled the world and still have great contribution to the world. Instead of learning from the history and not make the same mistakes over and over again you keep try to fight over a tyrant and his legacy.

    In a region (which is small) that many wars had taken place, and millions of people have passed through while raping, killing and committing insane acts against humanity, and than being enslaved by multiple empires and kingdoms, people are still thinking there is still the same geneology as ancient times and argue over who is what, pathetic. I grew up in Macedonia (or former Yugoslav republic of if that’s what you prefer my dear Greek friends), and I was told stories about Alexander and Phillip as a kid by my grandma who had “full” 2 grades of school finished =) , she went to school in the time of the kingdom of Yugoslavia, where people were killed if they would identify themselves as anything else but serbians, well she had learned the stories from her parents, and they learned by their parents and so forth, so, long time before Tito and Yugoslavia and any of that ideology.

    Enough about history because that’s the past.

    I know who I am, but at the same time how can anyone know from all the mixing between people of that region (Balkans) that someone is pure Macedonian or Greeks or Albanian or Bulgarian etc. I sincerely believe that all of us from the Balkans somewhere down the line got mixed with ottoman Turks and whoever else their military employed, I mean they where there for 500 years, I mean c’mon, America is only 241 years old and look what mixing of people has done, (they’re all Americans now) and no one can ever convince me that they are pure Greek or Macedonian or whatever else out there, normaly people usually identify themselves by the country’s or region’s name where they are from, so according to the map used by Greece Bulgaria and Yugoslavia in 1913 to split the conquered land, the whole region they agreed upon was named Makedonia and everyone got their chunk of it. And no, I don’t think that could be “unified”, and yes there have always been people that believed (but they were actually dreaming) of the idea of great Macedonia, but in real world and not a fantasy one even if Greece wasn’t the strongest in military numbers but Macedonia was, it is impossible to conquer and keep land where the people who felt different entity from the Greeks are minimal percentage of the entire population there. But back in reality Greek could unleash hell upon anyone on the Balkans but Turkey. So Greek people should look on things with their own eyes and figure out that there is no danger from the North and quit listening to politicians and their lies, and same goes for Macedonian people.

    Hellenic cities came up with democracy, in a democracy anyone can freely say their opinion and beliefs, in a democracy a Greek would listen to his fellow neighbour from the north who says that he feels that he is a Macedonian and would accept that, and the Macedonian and the Greek would not argue about Alexander or Phillip or whoever, because it’s pointless. Personally I could care less if you want them all to yourself, as long as I am not degraded and taken my right to express how I feel and express what I am.
    C’mon, the proud cradle of democracy where the first free people lived, be true to the idea of the democracy and freedom and let people have their freedom to call themselves what they feel like.

    And don’t forget we are all people at the end, except we all forget until we are in imminent danger and we need each other.

    Live for today, because the past is gone. That’s why is called history.

  39. Macedonians live in same place (Northern-Greece) for millennia. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] There has always been documented Greek presence in Macedon [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Always fighting to keep Macedonia and themselves Greek. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

    Against this backdrop, how uncouth is it for a southslavic people-group to ethnically engineer section of their own flock into ‘Macedonians’ knowing full well and in advance, Macedonians already exist as Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples from since antiquity.

    How uncivilized, uncultured, uncultivated and unrefined, is it, to manipulate your own kind, making Macedonians out them in order they compete with Greeks over such things as (i) identity, (ii) people-names and (iii) place-names.

    FYRoM adopted the Macedonian name for country-name, but took it 4 steps further to levels of (i) sovereign state-name, (ii) nationality, (iii) language, (iv) ethnicity. This configuration makes ‘Macedonians’ out of [ex] Yugoslavs, in the ethnic-sense, national-sense and language-sense. Identity factors which do not bode well for southslavs. Why? Because identity once cast, stays with the people-group(s) that created it in the first place. So identity is for life, passing onward, transmitted to next generation for as long as claimants exist, cultural endowments belong to them.

    This important point is not properly understood in FYRoM, that, for as long as (claimants) Macedonians exist, practicing self-determination rights in the tradition of their paleo-Hellenic ancestors…no other Macedonians can exist next to them. Because identity is not transferable for as long as claimants exist to receive that cultural endowment.

    Slavic Tribe Draguvites were first Slavic-tribe to settle Greco-Roman soil. They were later joined by Sagudates, Velegesites Rynchines and Berzites. These are FYRoM’s immediate ancestors. Forebears cultural endowments pass-on, onward transmit to modern day inhabitants of FYRoM.

    This is where they should stake claims on name(s) and identity.

  40. If you name yourself after whole geographic region you are (in fact) making a statement – many statements, in fact!

    1- I (unilaterally) stake claim to whole region

    2- I reserve the right to stake claim to whole region at some future date

    3-The region is named after my forebears

    4-The Place-Name describes my paternal ancestors tribal name

    5- I claim historical rights and cultural-heritage rights of the whole region

    6- I relegate downwards, the self-determination rights of other regional contenders

    7- I claim all cultural endowments gifted from geographic region name

    8- I reserve the right to write and rewrite historical narrative of whole geographic region

    9- I reserve the right to raise monuments in the name of geographic regions powerful figureheads

    FYRoM is (unilaterally) making bold statements it cannot possibly live up to. Regardless the ramifications and consequences of their actions.

    FYRoM (unilaterally) chose to name itself after the whole geographic region of Macedonia. Without the consent of the regions native autochthonous inhabitants.

    FYRoM sits on 38% of geographic region of Macedonia. But chose (unilaterally) to name itself after the whole.

    The geographic region of Macedonian comprises of Greece 51% – FYRoM 38% – Bulgaria 11%. It is irrational for 38% to (unilaterally) claim the name of the whole.

    [link to http://www.rferl.org (secure)] FYRoM prime minister says he is ready to renounce his country’s claim to be the sole heir of Alexander the Great’s legacy, a potential concession that could lead to the easing of a longstanding dispute with Greece.

    FYRoM weened off revisionism and pseudo-historical propaganda is a step in the right direction. Not really a concession. It should not be treated as such.

    Step by step. The next step must be the big one. The final compromise.

  41. The late President of the Greek Republic, K. Karamanlis in 1992 said: “Macedonia is only One and is Greek.” The state of Skopje stole the name of Macedonia in 1945. Previously it was named VARDARSKA. How can a state change its name and nationality within a few days? The former president of Skopje Gligorov said that Skopjans are Slavs, as is testified by their names. The famous ancient geographer Strabon wrote: “Macedonia is Greece.” In her article (“Macedonia” 12/9/1992) the Danish Professor named Tata Arcel, analyzes the psychological problem of the Scopians who demand to use the name of “Macedonia” for their “new state” and she describes it as an administrative creature twisting the story
    The citizens of Skopje are Slavs & Slavs did not exist in Macedonia before the 6th-7th centuries AD; Slavs who lived in the geographical region of “Macedonia” before the Second World War were known as Bulgarians.
    They say that people should have the right to choose a name for themselves. I agree, but on the condition that this name is NOT already used by others. It should not apply: “My own unlimited freedom is the oppression of my neighbor.” If we are in a bus full of people, we do not have the freedom to start smoking because the smoke will bother the non-smokers. Our freedom stops where the freedom of another begins. The same with the nations, and the supposed freedom of “some” to choose a name: they may choose anything they want in the “Balkan Bus”, but not something that represses their neighbors, or that makes them feel that they have to defend for a part of their own country. And as their ancestor Krste Misirkov wrote in 1903:
    “Some will ask why I speak of secession (separation) from the Bulgarians when we formerly called ourselves Bulgarians, and when it is generally accepted that the union is power-producing rather than separation. And, in any case, what kind of new Macedonian nation can this be when we, our fathers, our grandparents and our grandparents, have always been called Bulgarians?”
    However, the word “Macedonia” is of Greek origin. The inhabitant of the ancient region of “Makedon”, in ancient Greek was called “Makedonos”. The root “Mac” derives from the Greek word “makos”, the Doric type of Attic meaning “length”. In short, “Macedonian” meant: “tall man.”
    Philippos: is of Greek origin as well and consists of 2 parts: the Greek verb “filo” meaning “”kiss” and the Greek word “ippos” meaning “horse”. In short it means the one who “loves horses”. The most famous in history was Philippos II, father of Alexander the Great.
    The name of Alexander is again of Greek origin. The name “Alexandros” consists of 2 parts: the “Alex” (is a prefix), meaning “protector” & “Andras” meaning “man”. In short, “Alexander” means: “Men’s protector” in Greek, though … in any other language … means absolutely nothing, because the word is of Greek origin, and NOT OF SLAVIC!!!!!!!!!
    The idea of a Macedonian ethnicity came up in Skopje during the period of former Yugoslavia, when Marshal Josh Broz Tito ruled it. It was Tito who introduced through a declaration the idea that the so-called “Macedonians” live in the southern part of Yugoslavia. He did so for 3 reasons: 1) to cut them off from their Bulgarian relatives so that Bulgaria will not claim any Yugoslav territory; 2) in order to later claim the entire geographical region of Macedonia, as it was “inhabited by Macedonians”; 3) to find a way out in the Aegean Sea, since he was aiming to unify all of Macedonia & make it a province of Yugoslavia.

  42. We learned it from recorded history, the earliest known (territory) place-name(s) assigned to FYRoM. See below…

    1- Paeonia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paeonia_(kingdom)
    2- Pelagonia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagonia
    3- Dardania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardani

    Those (ancient) place-names above are uncontested place-names. Available for immediate use, if that is what FYRoM wanted. They fit perfectly to the geography.
    FYRoM would have no issue naming itself…

    1- Republic of Paeonia
    2- Republic of Pelagonia
    3- Republic of Dardania

    Against the wishes of the regions native autochthonous people-groups, FYRoM (unilaterally) chose to name itself Republic of Macedonia. Knowing very well, in advance, the problems it would cause. And went on to script national historical narrative based on Place-Name ‘Macedonia’ and People-Name ‘Macedonians’.
    FYRoM academics then chose to write pseudo-historical ethno-origin narrative which linked the place to ancient-Macedon and peoples to ancient-Macedonians.

    We learned it from recorded history. The name Macedon belongs to ancient-Greek Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(ancient_kingdom). Place-names and People-names form important identity factors. More important to the people-groups that created them in the first place. FYRoM chose to (unilaterally) name itself after ancient-Greek Kingdom, contesting with Greece, Place-Names, People-Names, Identity, History, Heritage, Legacy. Only now do they admit, that it was wrong to challenge the western world’s cultural-history narrative. After 26 years of sitting in splendid isolation, FYRoM has finally woken up to the fact it must fix the name issue with Greece.

    But FYRoM wont let go of the Macedonian name. The strategy has changed. The goal post’s have moved. FYRoM’s protectionist’s have shifted the argument to territory name. It is not about (history) ancient-Macedonia any more. They posit that FYRoM has right to name itself after (latin-Roman) territory name ‘Macedonia Secunda Salutaris’, circumventing ,argument with Greece over ancient-Macedon.
    The position now, is – FYRoM gets it’s name from latin-Roman nomenclature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(Roman_province)

    But even this position is flawed. It means that FYRoM leapfrogged itself back in history, back to pre-Slavic times, before Slavic settlement of Byzantium and Greco-Roman world, just to [[pick][choose]] select a ‘time specific’ name. Explanation: Why bypass FYRoM’s last known name ‘Vardaska’ when it was province of South-Serbia.

    1. Jim, Nick and the rest, we need to be better organised and inform the rest about the truth of Macedonia. From what I have seen and read so far in different blocks and sites they are totally ignorant and brainwashed while they really don’t show any sufficient clue from reliable historical sources. We need to take a real responsible action against this propaganda! I noticed articles from their side that supposidelly would prove Macedonians as something separate of Hellenes/Greeks, however one who really knows history and pay attention will rather understand that most of them, instead of making bad, are doing good, exposing the truth of Macedonia’s Greek origins!
      Instead of consuming our efforts and time by re-writing the same facts we need to take common action against that Fake History and Propaganda of Vardarians.
      People ignorant who are not realizing that they are mostly of Bulgarian, Albanian, and Serbian origins while a small amount of them are only of Hellenic Macedonian origins and they maybe don’t even know about it. They have been fairy tailed in such and brainwashed in such a way that they also believe that are speaking an unexisting Macedonian language which apparently is of Slavic origins.
      Let’s act together! Let’s restore truth!

  43. City of Marseille was founded by Greeks, French after thousand of years lived there so French can say that Greeks are their ancestors and we (Greeks) stole their culture and history so YES I believe your facts especially the 10th… We always loved Slavs but you… you are not Slavs not even Albanias you are just gypsy with a Balkan Disneyworld called Skopje who trying to find out were you came from and how to get some money to live using our history, our dead grandparents who fought to free macedonia (Μακεδονία) from Turks… Read history and stop this nonsense propaganda with your fake thousand of sites trying to brainwash unhistorical people… Macedonians, Athenians, Spartans etc. they are all Greek tribes… If you wish to be named Macedonians learn GREEK…

  44. The Macedonian question must conclude in definitive conclusive manner. Once and for all time. Never to return. Autochthonous Macedonians insist on that. Original Macedonians cannot leave anything to chance. Otherwise FYRoM will act on it!

    For Kotzias – leave nothing to chance. The Macedonian name belongs in Greek domain. Macedonian identity belongs to Greek heritage. Negotiating these things to benefit non-Greeks is morally ethically wrong. Why? Because Greek governments are morally and legally obliged to defend and protect the Hellenic peoples cultural historical endowments – regardless the enticements afforded to negotiator’s.

    Yes, FYRoM deserves it’s place in Europe, but not as ‘Republic of Macedonia’. Why? Because that name, the Macedonian name, is too heavily rooted in Hellenism to be contested. Our Western-Partners and European-Cousins know that now.

    The Macedonian question is something that touches Greek-Hellenic peoples heart. Negotiate this question badly – Greeks will react badly.

    People-Names, Place-Names, form important identity factors. More important to the people-group(s) that created them in the first place. Macedonian component of Greek identity cannot be negotiated to the benefit of non-Greeks. Why? Because Macedonians will react badly towards such silliness.

  45. Hey Norbert,

    Why aren’t you correcting the title of your article? You know when people reading this article, they are thinking about Macedonia indeed not FYRoM!
    Even in Wikipedia you will find this:

    Macedonia (Greece)
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Not to be confused with Republic of Macedonia.
    For other uses, see Macedonia (disambiguation).
    Macedonia
    Μακεδονία
    Traditional region of Greece

    Macedonia (blue) within Greece
    Country Greece
    Region established 1913[1]
    Capital Thessaloniki Thessaloniki
    Population (2011 census)[3]
    • Total 2,400,721
    Demonym(s) Macedonian

    Macedonia (/ˌmæsɪˈdoʊniə/ (About this sound listen) MASS-i-DOH-nee-ə; Greek: Μακεδονία, translit. Makedonía [maceðoˈnia]) is a geographic and historical region of Greece in the southern Balkans. Macedonia is the largest and second most populous Greek region, dominated by mountains in the interior and the port cities of Thessaloniki (or Salonika) and Kavala on its southern coastline. Macedonia is part of Northern Greece, together with Thrace and sometimes Thessaly and Epirus.

    It incorporates most of the territories of ancient Macedon, a kingdom ruled by the Argeads whose most celebrated members were Alexander the Great and his father Philip II. The name Macedonia was later applied to identify various administrative areas in the Roman/Byzantine Empire with widely differing borders (see Macedonia (region) for details).

    Even before the establishment of the modern Greek state in 1830, it was identified as a Greek province, albeit without clearly defined geographical borders.

    I believe that you can read the rest there. Except if your article is another article just making Propaganda of the what used to be Vardarska!

  46. Just one question,
    If Alexander was not Greek why would he have use and spread the Greek language across the known world. His coins had Greek on them.

    1. Hi Michael,

      I believe that this is a rhetorical question indeed.
      Let them, who want to be self fairy tailed and claim that the Slavic language they are speaking is “Macedonian”, explain that to you and to me of course.
      And wasn’t only the coins written in Greek.

      1. ΑΡΙΣΤΟΔΗΜΟΣ

        Every archaeological finding proves it. There is not such thing as Macedonian language because it’s a Greek dialect. There is not a Macedonian alphabet because it’s Greek too .There is not such thing as Macedonian nationality because the Macedonians are Greeks. Έστίν οῦν Έλλάς καί ή Μακεδονία. Translate this in the false “Macedonian” slavic please!

  47. Hellenic Tribes – Achaeans, Aeolians, Dorians, Ionians. We know from the historical record the People-Name and Place-Names of (most) of their sub-groups. Macedonian component of Greek identity we compare to Spartan because both sub-groups derive from Dorian-Greek stock. Hellenic identity therefore, can draw on more than 230 known Greek sub-groups. Note: People-Name and Place-Names form identity. Hence, Macedonian identity or Spartan identity cannot transfer to Slavic over the course of time on the whim or say so, of FYRoM’s disenfranchised [ex] Yugoslavs. What was Hellenic then, in the past remains Hellenic now, in the present. Because Greeks have UN recognized (autochthonous) right to keep as Greek possible, the identity-characteristics of their paleo-Hellenic ancestors.
    Nothing is more pretentious than having to listen to Slavic-speakers from FYRoM call their country ‘Macedonia,’ their language ‘Macedonian-language,’ and themselves Macedonians.

    In most cases, natural formation of People-name and Place-Names generate identity. Language-name generates ethnicity. Country-name generates nationality. Legitimizing the Macedonian name on FYRoM empowers Slavic-speakers there to stake claim to Macedonian identity. Awarding FYRoM the Macedonian name at country level, sovereign state-name level, nationality level and ethnicity level, entitles South-Slavs to usurp cultural endowments from Macedon and Macedonians. We have seen them doing it for 26 long years. The Macedonian question ends when FYRoM concedes the Macedonian name to Hellenism, because the name belongs in Greek domain whilst Macedonian identity belongs to Greek heritage. Names can be adopted or imposed but identity is inherited, passed-on, onward-transmitted, from one ethno-cultural linguistic generation to the next one. For as long as Hellenic-Macedonian identity exist, no other Macedonians can exist next to them claiming their name identity or lineage.

    Integrating FYRoM into the Western worlds Euro-Atlantic economic and security structures of EU and NATO under the name ‘Republic of Macedonia’ creates problems for Greece. Silly problems. Like having to live next to a country who’s people see Greece as the enemy. The occupier of Macedonia. The best way our Western-Partners and European-Cousins can help FYRoM is to encourage FYRoM to stop the silliness.

  48. For the record, Macedonian component of Greek identity is regional and historical. It is a legacy endowment identity-characteristic that stretches all the way back to 808 BC, from since Karanos founded the first kingdom of Macedon. So when Northern-Greeks identify as Macedonian, they do it from more than one perspective. Macedonian identity on Greeks is derived from (i) regional, (ii) historical, (iii) ancestral, (iv) legacy perspectives. At each level, Greeks can validate (academically) through recorded history, their usage of that Macedonian identity-characteristic. These academic reference points mean something for Greece in regards to the Macedonian question.

    The Macedonian question pits FYRoM against Greece on usage of the Macedonian name. FYRoM uses the Macedonian name for country-name…sovereign state-name, nationality, language and ethnicity – identity characteristics which do not bode well for [ex] Yugoslavs. Why? Because FYRoM has no geographic, cultural or historic connection to Macedon, the ancient-Greek Kingdom.

    On the basis that country name generates nationality, and language name generates ethnicity, FYRoM demands self-determination rights. FYRoM [ex] Yugoslavs believe they are entitled to call themselves ‘Macedonian’ on ethnic level and nationality level because they speak ‘Macedonian’ and live in a country called ‘Republic of Macedonia’.

    Question: Is FYRoM abusing the right of self-determination?

    Lets not forget – Names can be created naturally. They can be adopted. Or they can be imposed. In the FYRoM case the Macedonian name was imposed. Why? Because there was never a ‘Macedonia’ in the Slavic world until Communist Croat Marshall Josip Broz Tito created one, in 1944, during WWII in wartime Yugoslavia.

    On the basis that Macedonians have always been a Greek-speaking Hellenic peoples, I think FYRoM should rescind the Macedonian name back to Hellenism where it originated, created by Greeks, for Greek use.

  49. FYRoM named itself ‘Republic of Macedonia’ 1991. And demands self-determination rights. On this configuration…

    Country Name – Republic of Macedonia
    Sovereign State-Name – Republic of Macedonia
    Nationality – Macedonian
    Language – Macedonian
    Ethnicity – Macedonian

    Greece objects. On the grounds recognition of FYRoM on this configuration would make Macedonians out of [ex] Yugoslavs. Legitimizing the above (normalizes) endorses artificial fake nation. Empowering South-Slavs to extract cultural historical endowments from territory name. Which is exactly what FYRoM does. In crude crass way. So Greece is right to object. Because Macedon was Greek Kingdom. Because Macedonians were always Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples. Because the Macedonian name belongs in Greek domain. Because Macedonian identity belongs to Greek heritage.

    Lets not forget, Greece is legally and morally obliged to defend and protect the Hellenic Republics people-names, place-names, identity, history, heritage legacy. These (cultural historical endowments) gems, are worth keeping, worth preserving. On these reference points, Greece is held in esteem for holding on to the moral ethical academic high ground.

    FYRoM naming itself ‘Republic of Macedonia’ brings into question: Who is Macedonian and who is not. On this contention there are reference points and there is hierarchy. The historical debate FYRoM lost long time ago. And references to Macedonia as Slavic-speaking entity go no further back than 1944 on the creation of ‘Demokratska Federalna Makedonija’. This entity came into existence 2nd August 1944 in the Bulgarian occupation zone of WWII wartime Yugoslavia.

    So the peoples of FYRoM calling themselves ‘Macedonians’ is problematic and confusing. Because Macedonians already exist. Hellenic Macedonians exist before the creation of ‘Demokratska Federalna Makedonija’ – the first Slav Macedonian entity. References to Greek-speaking Macedonians date back to the creation of Macedon, the ancient-Greek Kingdom 808 BC. So there is hierarchy. Nobody sits higher on the hierarchical table than Hellenic Macedonians. Hellenic Macedonians have right to keep and to preserve the identity-characteristics of their paleo-Hellenic ancestors. For as long as these Macedonians exist, no other Macedonians can exist next to them claiming their name lineage or heritage.

  50. The Macedonian Question: Who is Macedonian and Who is Not.

    For reference purposes – Ancient Macedon was Greek Kingdom. Alexander the Great was Greek King of Macedon. These are the default position(s) on which (accredited) classicist historians promulgate their specialist field of expertise.

    Place-Name – Macedon the place-name was Greek creation. Derived from Northern branch of ancient-Dorian Hellenic people-group.

    People-Name – Macedonian people-name stems from ancient Dorian-Greeks. The Dorians were just one of four [[Achaeans][Aeolians][Ionians][Dorians]] ancient Hellenic tribes from which peoples of Hellas stem and sub divided themselves.

    In terms of continuity – The closest modern humans to ancient-Macedonians are Hellenic-Macedonians. Today’s Greeks score highest historically, geographically, culturally, linguistically, genetically.

    On identity – Macedonian component of Greek identity is inherited regional and historical. Identity is cultural-endowment, passed-on, onward transmitted from one ethno cultural linguistic generation to the next one.

    On hierarchy – Nobody ranks higher than Hellenic-Macedonians. Greeks sit at top end of Macedonian hierarchical table.

    Who is Macedonian – Macedonians are Greek. In all the ways that matter. That much is clear. Macedonians are the Greeks who, to this day, continue to practice their [[native][autochthonous]] self-determination rights in the tradition of their paleo-Hellenic ancestors.

    Who is not Macedonian – The Macedonian Question aims to resolve this matter once and for all time.

    For information purposes – FYRoM did not inherit the Macedonian name. FYRoM chose the Macedonian name.
    And on the back of ‘adopted’ name demands self-determination rights. Greeks protest. They have right to be concerned. Because FYRoM abuses the right of self-determination. Why? Because FYRoM cannot take the name of an ancient-Greek Kingdom to the levels of (i) Country-Name, (ii) Sovereign State-Name, (iii) Nationality, (iv) Language, (v) Ethnicity without drawing the ire of the Greeks.

  51. Can we for a second discuss that the “Macedonian” language is entirely and completely Bulgarian. If you claim to be an independent country, you should have your own language? The Cyrillic alphabet was not created by two Macedonian (region) brothers. Sneaky, but give credit where credit is due. They were Bulgarian and the language is the same. So, you added two asterisks and two letters to change it and claim it was different, not good enough. Every Bulgarian knows you’re speaking Bulgarian! It’s an insult to not only use the alphabet and speak the langue but then claim it as your own.

    The people in Macedonia were already speaking a language and it was Bulgarian. Macedonia was a Bulgarian people, in Serbian territory, who took a greek name.

    If it was Serbian, their language would be mostly Serbian and closer to Serbian. Same goes for greek, they do not speak greek. They speak 95% Bulgarian.

  52. So, this argument is really ridiculous (and I’m Irish German)

    1) If the Greeks can call themselves ‘Greek’ after not calling themselves that since pre roman times, I think any one else can take on a name of their own.

    2) Yes Macedonia (today) consists of heavy slav bloodlines. Current greeks consists of Turkish (ouch), Italian, African, Arabic, and other bloodlines. (DNA does not lie)

    3) An yes, the Greeks did commit ethnic cleansing in the Macedonian region of Greece. Look up the history of families that moved to America, from that region, because they where displaced ethnic slavs.

    4) Macedonia was a free for all land grab after the ottomans where pushed out. Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece.

    5) The mighty Greeks would not have defeated the Ottomans had they not help from Russia, France, Britain, Serbia, Montenegro, and Bulgaria.

    6) Of course they also aligned themselves with the Ottomans in the second Balkan war.

    7) Also, the Greeks, where not known as Greeks, and did not call themselves Greeks or Greece until more recent times. So…maybe they should not be allowed to use that term…maybe stick with Hellas or Hellada, or maybe even go back to Roman. Based on the Macedonian argument, Greeks should not be able to reinvent their name over time.

    8) All Countries change over time. Cities change names. Peoples change. Native Americans are new to the continent. Romans may have come from local tribes and and Hellas. Irish come from Celts who come from Germans who came from Germanic tribes ..there was no Germany. Euro language has merged origins from India. Russia, comes from Rus which means river vikings, which are germanic. Russians are mixed from slavic, rus, huns, asian, and other groups. The concept of ‘we’ own this name, area, language is always arguable.

    9) I’m American, and proud of it. I have Irish and German origins. I use words originating from Germany, England, Spain, Latin, Greek, Native American, etc. In fact I cant even call it American (hey Canada and Mexico stop getting upset that we refer to USA as American…you had a shot at using that term…too late to the game)…I speak English (thought the English look at it as a bastardized English.

    The word spins, get over it. Oh….and peoples from Athens, and other more cultured ‘Greek’ city states did not refer to Macedonians as mishpocheh…they considered them as barbarians. Get over it.

  53. Nobody is more Macedonian than Greek-speaking Hellenic-Macedonians. Hierarchically Prima in ranking to other newer (so called) Macedonians. On this basis, Slavic-speaking (soon to be) Northern-Macedonians cannot be ‘Macedonian’ on equilibrium with Greek-speaking Hellenic-Macedonians. Why? Because there is hierarchy. On hierarchy: Greek-speaking Hellenic-Macedonians rank Prima to other [Secunda] newer (inappropriately) named Macedonians. Because (till today) they keep it Greek.

    On hierarchy: Slavic-speaking Northern-Macedonians rank Secunda. Because of latin-Roman nomenclature and naming conventions.

    Conclusion: Macedonians are the Greeks who continue to practice self-determination rights in the tradition of their paleo-Hellenic ancestors.

    Important: People-names and Place-names are important factors in the formation of identity. More important to the people-groups that created the names in the first place.

    More important: No self respecting European people-group would cede, relinquish or renounce their cultural People-name or Place-name. Cultural endowments passed on from previous generations are for keeps. They stay with you for lifetime duration.

    Mega important: For as long as Greek-speaking Hellenic-Macedonians exit, no other Macedonians can exist alongside them claiming their [[People-name][Place-name] lineage, history, heritage.

    About names – Names can be (i) adopted, (ii) inherited or (iii) imposed. Hence, Macedonians inherited their people-name from previous generations of Greeks. Natural process. Not transferable.

    Conclusion: Macedonians have always been a Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples for millennia. From since the days of King Karanus (808- 778 BC).

    About Macedonians – Macedonians spread (i) Greek-knowledge, (ii) Greek-language and (iii) Hellenic culture to farthest easternmost reaches of ancient world. The West owes Macedonians a (debt of cultural gratitude) great deal.

    About Ethnicity – If the measure of ethnicity was calculated in feelings, then Macedonians are fanatic Greeks. From since the days of King Karanus (808- 778 BC).

    Ethnicity is difficult subject to discuss. Something cultural. Something learned. I belong to an ethnic group when host people-group ultimately accept me into their flock.

    Calling Paeonia ‘Macedonia’ and ex-Yugoslavians ‘Macedonians’ is being (i) disingenuous and (ii) disrespectful, to Greek-speaking Hellenic-Macedonians. Hierarchically Prima to other newer (so called) Macedonians.

    Slavic-speaking (soon to be) Northern-Macedonians should be more respectful with whom they neighbour.

  54. I am a child of Macedonian parents, the Macedonian region that was given to Greece and then these Macedonians were forced to stop speaking Macedonian and change their names. Funny, Alexander didn’t force Egyptians to change their culture or language. I have met many Greeks over the years and sure as hell don’t identify as one, I just don’t have the massive ego and arrogance that seems typical. Did you know that some Pakistanis say there is ‘no India, they are in fact Pakistanis?’ And yet look at how different their cultures have developed, it just seems a ridiculous and pointless assertion. This is a travel blog and to hijack it with emotion fuelled baggage is rude, I think you should take it somewhere else.

  55. Wow! amazing comments. Some have difficulty to except Macedonian nations individuality . Yes we all come from somewhere, but we all are identifying as different nationality. Why can’t you except Macedonians as they day and feel who they are. I read in history that Macedonians were forced by Greek and Bulgarian to name them self as Greeks and Bulgarians. But that was to intimidate Macedonian independence. Its obvious when Greece and Bulgaria occupied Macedonian land that to happen. Macedonians become Greeks and Bulgarians. That’s what happened when occupation is appon you. So, stop attacking Macedonians and their nationality. They are nobody else but who they were before occupation. Makedonians from Makedonia.
    Stop trying to change their identity.Who gives you that right? You??? Ha,ha,ha,ha!

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